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  1. "Yet our way is the older way. The blood of the First Men still flows in the veins of the Starks, and we hold to the belief that the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die. One day, Bran, you will be Robb's bannerman, holding a keep of your own for your brother and your king, and justice will fall to you. When that day comes, you must take no pleasure in the task, but neither must you look away. A ruler who hides behind paid executioners soon forgets what death is." "MUST TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE TASK". In an episode that should've been entirely about Sansa and Jon reclaiming their Stark heritage, Sandra forgets what it really means to serve Stark justice. I suppose it's a nice follow-up to Jon hanging a small child and his co-cospirators, rather than execute them the old way. Really excellent undercutting of running theme of Stark-ness being related to adherence to the old way - Robb dooming himself with Karstark, Theon attempting to follow the old way with Mikken/Cassel but failing, Jon's "fetch me a block", Arya's execution of the night's watch deserter. Maybe D&D are the same kind of mouth-breathers who insist that Sansa is the least Stark-like of the Starks and wouldn't follow Ned's example (apparrently she's "just like her mother" so I guess they do have that same failure of comprehension). Or maybe themes are just for seventh-grade book reports.
  2. I suspected something like this was the case. However, if I search via google ("site:asoiaf.westeros.org YouSnowNothing") I can find many of my old posts, and all the threads are still accessible and seemingly still stored in the same subforum (rather than moved to a special archive area). Therefore, if these posts are still accessible, shouldn't they still be listed under my Activity?
  3. So this is a universal thing and not just a bug I'm getting? Would be great to fix that.
  4. It makes no sense that Myrcella's death has been swept under the rug. Not just from Cersei's perspective, though it is astoundingly out of character for her to be so meek about it. Both Cersei and Carol would "burn cities to the ground" for what they did. But even beyond Cersei, every single supporter of the Lannister/Tyrell alliance should be up in arms. Until Tommen has a child, Myrcella is the heir to the throne. She is the next in line, and they are at war. To kill her is not just an insult against the monarchy and a great house, but an clear attack on the line of succession. Finding Myrcella's killers and bringing them to justice should be the number one priority for every person allied to the throne. It is obvious that they just wanted everyone to forget about their shitty writing, and so just moved on as quickly as they could, without actually dealing with any of the consequences.
  5. I wanted to browse through some of my old posts, but looking through my profile I can't seem to see them. Though I apparently have made 372 posts (which sounds about right to me, I was reasonably active a few years ago), I can only see 17 listed under my Content. Can anyone help me with this? http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/profile/54984-yousnownothing/&do=content&type=forums_topic_post&change_section=1
  6. To be honest, I always found Euron's description in the books to be a little silly and over-the-top. He's certainly not one of my favourite villains. But he was exactly what he was supposed to be - an unhinged, larger-than-life psychopath. And though when done lazy that archetype can come off as very cliche, it can also be done very effectively (Firelord Ozai from Avatar is one example of close to how I would picture Euron). I've no idea what they're trying to do with show!Euron, because the guy is clearly a fine actor but he's far too generic to play Euron. He looks like a mall security guard, but evil. ^Pretty much.
  7. D&D's approach to religion is a distractingly modern one. They present religion like a 14 year old "intellectual" on reddit - filled with idiots and fanatics who are the root of all evil. Martin's approach is more nuanced. Religion can be the cause of great suffering, but it can also be a force for good and hope. The Faith is like that - though it does terrible things by our standards (torturing of the singer, Cersei's walk), it also does good (protecting the smallfolk, reducing corruption and excess in the church). That would be too complex though, so they're just gay-bashing nutters. Yeah, @The Wull sums it up for me. He's not showing us that kinslaying is wrong by having every kinslayer face justice for his actions, but simply creating a society with the taboo and having the characters respond appropriately. Some profit from it, some don't, but the main difference is how effectively they disguise their crimes. He is consistent with his own creation. In regards to kinslaying, I think a greater priority of Martin's is displaying the inherent contradiction of taboos and vows. For example, Jaime being ordered to kill his father.
  8. Yeah, if the show wanted to be a camp, over-the-top murder fest then it's a very good one. But to have critics repeatedly cite its realism, and any problematic moments being cast aside because "that's how things were back then", is completely infuriating.
  9. Excellent article. People haven't been talking about that Children/Others scene enough. It was just dropped into the middle of the episode, like D&D suddenly remembered they had to squeeze it in before Leaf and BR died, without bothering to give it any build-up, follow-up, or thematic relevance to the rest of the episode. It was a huge, world-changing reveal and it was just thrown in and came off as underwhelming as a result.
  10. So I caved and watched the episodes. I didn't want to. But I was getting that bloody "hold the door" meme everwhere and decided to just rip the bandage off before I ended up with half the story. Also, my sister (a book reader) assured me that this season was better than the last. I will not be taking her advice again. Most of the awful stuff has probably already been covered in this thread. But I wanted to talk about kinslaying for a moment. The rampant kinslaying is honestly the most troubling part of this season. It highlights the callous and cynical approach D&D have to morality in the worst way. Let's see, who do we have so far? The Sand Snakes & Ellaria murdering Doran and Trystane. Euron killing Balon. Ramsay killing Roose. Am I missing anyone? Let’s examine the common themes between all of them. The first definitely doesn’t happen in the books, the second probably did happen, and the third may happen (personally I think it’s very likely one of Roose or Ramsay will kill the other, but it remains to be seen). It’s not whether they happen or not that bothers me, it’s the flagrancy. Ellaria kills Doran in plain view of his guards. Ramsay stabs Roose in front of one of his vassal lords (who has only just declared for the Boltons and whose loyalty to Ramsay is uncertain). Euron goes to the trouble of recreating the book scene, then just brags about his murder in front of a crowd. Kinslaying is the greatest crime in Westeros. “No man is as accursed as the kinslayer”. Rape, murder, even breaking guest right; they all pale in comparison to the Westerosi. And that makes sense for the society they live in. A feudal system, where ranks pass between family members, and societal structures are built upon families making promises to each other, cannot survive otherwise. Families do not just act as a household, but as a single political entity. If there is infighting, the house cannot survive, and the system collapses. That is not to mean it doesn’t happen. But either the perpetrator is either instantly ostracized by his peers (Tyrion killing Tywin, Theon for supposedly killing his adopted brothers), or goes to great lengths to conceal his crime. Stannis births a shadow to murder Renly, Euron gives away a dragon egg to hire a faceless man – even the notoriously unsubtle Ramsay poisons Domeric covertly. All because they know that if their crime became common knowledge, they would be disowned instantly. It doesn’t matter whether you’re villainous enough to do it or not, it’s plausible deniability that matters. They have to tailor their evil to operate within the society they live in. That’s the only way they can be successful at the game. Yet not in the show. Ramsay, Euron and Ellaria are all pretty flagrant about their murders – all either committing the act itself or confessing it in front of multiple witnesses. All of whom are apparently not bothered, despite it being a cornerstone of their society. I would liken it to a presidential frontrunner announcing he likes to diddle kids in his downtime, and winning the election anyway. It is the greatest taboo in Westeros, and will never earn you loyalty. Yet these three are immediately rewarded. Ellaria apparently takes control of Dorne, Ramsay gets the North, and Euron wins the kingsmoot. I must return to that great quote – “Game of Thrones has turned from a show that won’t let its heroes cheat to win, to a show that lets its villains cheat to win.” It is not realistic, or gritty, or brave, to have villains getting away with such brazen acts. They get away with it because it’s a grimdark world where evil always wins, against all logic. It is also interesting to note how the victims of kinslaying this season view it. “Would you have me fight the Crow's Eye? Brother against brother, ironborn against ironborn?" Euron was still his elder, no matter how much bad blood might be between them. No man is as accursed as the kinslayer. “The kinslayer is accursed in the eyes of gods and men, Balon had reminded him on the day he sent the Crow's Eye off to sea.” "Yes, m'lord. Domeric. I … I have heard his name …" "Ramsay killed him … Now his bones lie beneath the Dreadfort with the bones of his brothers, who died still in the cradle, and I am left with Ramsay. Tell me, my lord … if the kinslayer is accursed, what is a father to do when one son slays another?" Here we have Victarion, Balon and Roose all speaking about kinslaying. It is clear from their words that they would usually have no issue with killing Euron or Ramsay, but it is the taboo of kinslaying that stops them. For the ironborn, it is one step too far, even for rapist pirates. For Roose, he is concerned of the political ramifications. And Trystane is similar in the show. “I don’t want to hurt you… you’re family.” And then he is stabbed through the head. As a punchline. It is clear how the writers view these situations. Trystane, Doran, Balon and Roose are idiots who are either too honourable, too stupid or too slow on the uptake to kill their family members. Fauxllaria, Euron and Ramsay are rewarded for their ruthlessness and presented as great badasses. They have taken “You Win or You Die” at its most literal and assumed that “winning” is just not dying. Getting a leg up in the game of thrones, is not about manipulation, or tying people to your cause, or inspiring loyalty. It’s just about being quicker with a dagger. It’s the most simplistic view of a complex series you could possibly have. You can see this attitude permeating the rest of the show. Daenerys and Jon are only celebrated when they’re being “badass” – hacking people with a sword or burning men alive. There are no ramifications for the Boltons and the Freys breaking guest right. There is no Lady Stoneheart, no resistance in the Riverlands, no Northern conspiracy. Ned was an honourable fool and the evidence that his legacy would be greater and longer lasting than Tywin’s is absent. In this world, Ramsay has more loyal followers than Stannis and Doran is a “weak man” for not murdering innocent children. The Westerosi are a complex people in the books. They may have many moral outlooks that would repulse a modern audience, but they are not without morals. They value honour above all, and have a rigid set of codes and conventions that all – heroes and villains and all shades of grey in between – must attempt to navigate. In Weisseroff, everyone is the Dothraki – mindlessly following the strongest and most willing to kill. Every inhabitant is that guy you know who thinks that Sansa is naïve and annoying, but that who ripped out the dude’s tongue is totally badass. Westeros may be dark, and ruthless, and unforgiving. But it is not as simple as that. To present it as such, and to reward those who brazenly break taboos without consequence, it to belie a fundamental misunderstanding of the world in which their characters live, and the story Martin is trying to tell.
  11. *wades in* Hi all! I had previously made a pledge to avoid the show and try to go spoilerless until Winds arrived. However, the torrent of hype and unwarned chattering about the show has made me realise that avoiding the major plot points would simply be impossible. So I'm strapping on my bullshit-retardant hat and joining y'all in mocking this piece of shit. I'm at work now and haven't seen the episode. What have I got to dread?
  12. If there are any Community fans around, you should check out my tumblr, a mash-up of Community and Game of Thrones, in "Arrested Westeros" style. No spoilers for anything not in the books. http://gameofgreendale.tumblr.com/