Jace, Extat

What does this mean? Speak!

... Long live the King.

Strong disagree on the Saudis, but I'll open the kimono here: I mentioned France just for you

No, no, no... Jordan is not Israel. Israel is more than an ally-able piece of geography. Israel has acting power. You don't trade away a relationship with a world actor. Irreplaceable. Much more useful than France or the Saudis. Are you asking, like what I'd do if I was in charge of Israel? What I'd advise? Oh come now darling, don't speak so sweetly about me; I'm like to swoon.

Israel is an ally. An irreplaceable ally.

Well, I'm an American. I would pursue American interests.

Gaza is and will be a ruin. The area will have to be occupied indefinitely by Israel, and all UN aid must be managed then dispensed by Israel. They will have to build and back a local government as rebuilding takes place, with say a 50 year plan to empower this government towards statehood. I mean it's not what I would do, but I'm a monster.

Executions! Iron maidens! And for whoever is left, put them to the question! They'll beat the curve with just a taste of The Rack!

One war at a time my dear. Hamas in Gaza is being dealt with now, their ability to conduct another Oct. 7th attack is being destroyed. A sword removed from the hand of Iran. Once the southern and northern borders are secure, Gaza under military control, strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities can begin in earnest.

You know where it needs to go. War with Iran. They must be punished for enabling their proxies and prevented from getting the bomb.

Kal, out of a desire to break this circle we're in I'll say that it's obvious to me that Israel isn't stopping at Gaza. Hezbollah is next. No more Iranian proxies as neighbors is the only policy possible at this point.

'Aight... I feel like this is implicit in the goal of eradicating Hamas- Israel will resume military control of Gaza. I suppose they could declare such intention now, but doesn't refraining from stating such as policy give other states the opportunity to step up and propose administration of Gaza? The U.N. itself, perhaps? Disagree, the policy expectation is clear: Remove Hamas control of Gaza as fast as possible as practically as possible. Acceptance of cost is clear: whatever it takes. The exit strategy is obvious. Elimination of Hamas' operational capacity in Gaza. ... I'll get to the second category at my leisure.

Goddamn you. Just gimme a minute and I'll russel up something for ya.

An interesting post. Give me an evening to think on it.

Israel exists. To borrow a line from Politics Thread: Deal with it.

Then what is Israel supposed to DO??!!?? Are they supposed to deliver ultimatums to Egypt and Qatar - deliver the Hamas leadership or war?

"Stop. Regroup." - For what? Hamas has to go, and that means fighting them out of the last building and to the last man. The idea that Israel is supposed to tolerate Hamas as an entity continuing to exist inside Gaza is absurd.

Kal, what the fuck are you trying to say here? Hamas, the organization -the structure of the thing- is IN GAZA. It will be eradicated as a functioning entity. Hamas' leadership being abroad is a continued problem, but Hamas' leadership being abroad with their organization intact is a much bigger problem and one that can be addressed by fighting Hamas where it is... in Gaza.

Well, I would say that I prefer Israel's security be achieved by removing Hamas as a controlling entity in Gaza. That's what they're doing. You achieve goals as they are possible: dismantling Hamas in Gaza is possible. You do that. Immediately. We didn't get Bin Laden in the spring of 2002.

They started with Gaza because that's where the threat manifests, rockets and soldiers. Hamas, the organization, is in Gaza no matter where the leadership lives. I'm not really sure what you're getting at, then.

Don't tease, Z. What's Kal trying to say? Because there's precedent for invading countries that are harboring terror leadership.

Just to be clear: You think that Israel should not be fighting Hamas in Gaza because Qatar and Egypt is where their masterminds live? Am I getting that right?

Does this somehow eliminate the need to dismantle it where it can be found?

Yeah dawg, sorry. I ain't clicking on that creepy ass blacked-out link

What a thing to see: these m'fuckers are crawling through the goddamn window!