Edmure Tully is the Valonqar

[Bar DP]

Maggy's prophecy:
"and when your tears have drowned you, the Valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white neck and choke the life from you."
Valonqar = high valyrian for little brother.
The valonqar = the little brother. If it were Tyrion or Jaime Maggy would have said "your Valonqar", not the valonqar.

But why say the little brother in the first place? Couldn't she use anything else to distinguish one person over the other, like a sigil or an animal? The reason she said little brother is because we should be looking for an older siblings.

3 times in the books the phrase "white throat" appears:
(a Kindle search could prove it)

1.When Jon is pointing a dagger at Yigit's throat
2.Maggy's prophecy
3.The next quote, from A Clash Of Kings 39:

When Catelyn Stark talks to Brienne about avenging Loras and killing Stannis, Brienne gets Catelyn to say that when the time comes, she wouldn't hold her back. This is what Cat says about why she wouldn't hold her back:

"Every morning when I wake I remember that Ned is gone. I have no skill with swords but it does not mean that I do not dream of riding to King's Landing and wrapping my hands around Cersei Lannister's white throat and squeezing until her head turns black."

Maggy/Catelyn:
wrap/wrapping
his/my
hands/hands
about/around
your/Cersei Lannister's
pale white throat/white throat
choke the life from you/squeezing until her head turns black

No one else in the books speaks about choking Cersei to death. Many want her dead, but none so specific.

But what is the connection the Valonqar?
This is what Catelyn thinks about her brother, Edmure Tully, on the very same chapter:
"He was a head taller than she was, but he will always be her little brother"

There is no one hurt more by Cersei than Catelyn. Cersei is responsible for:
-Bran's fall
-Lady's death
-Nymeria's banishment
-Ned's death
-Capturing both her daughters
-She thinks Arya, Bran & Rickon are dead
-Robb's death and her death.

When someone, on the same chapter, tells her to remember to thank the Lannisters for it, the thinks "One day, I will thank them all."

Moreover, Jeyne westerling is Maggy the frog's great granddaughter, which makes Catelyn as well. Maggy and Cat are in the same extended family, and that might be why Maggy despised Cersei from the moment she saw her.

Why would Edmure do it?
He is always the fool, the loser, can't succeed in anything. It is emphasised throughout the books:
A quote from Cat about him from the same chapter:
"The Blackfish was the veteran of half a hundred battles. Edmure was the veteran of one, and that one lost."

In another chapter the Blackfish humiliates Edmure by calling him a fool for what happened at the folly of the fords.

He has something to atone for, and something to prove. No One respects him despite the fact he is the Lord of Riverrun, but if he kills Cersei with his bare hands he would win eternal glory. His character arc must get somewhere, it can't stay static throughout the books.

At the moment, Edmure is held captive at Casterly Rock.
He was sent there by Jaime.
After Cersei's shaming and Kevan's death, she might flea to Casterly rock.
I imagine he will escape, just like Tyrion, and get into Cersei's chambers.
She will not recognize him and tell him to get out, but he will say: you don't remember me? My name is Edmure Tully, Catelyn Starks little brother. remember her?
At this point, from Cersei's POV she will think: Catelyn Stark's little brother... Little brother... It's not Tyrion, it's him! he's the Valonqar!

And then he will choke the life from her.

[Boarsbane]

I can't see it. If Edmure ever does make it to CR and is there at the same time as Cersei I can't imagine him escaping his chambers, where he will no doubt be under guard, and finding his way to Cersei, who will also be under guard. It also kind of makes Cersei's death less impactful, she hasn't really ever done anything to Edmure and he seems like too nice a guy to kill even someone like Cersei.

[Good Guy Garlan]

As a big fan of both Edmure and Cersei, I think I'd like this. As Boarsbane points out, though, the logistics are a bit off (even though I agree that they could end up in the vicinity), but I don't necessarily think a murderer needs to be someone emotionally impactful to his victim. Like, Joffrey wasn't killed by his usual victims like Tyrion or Sansa, but rather in an almost off-hand manner by the Tyrells. And although it's true that Edmure and Cersei have no real connection, Edmure and Jaime do. Jaime has defeated Edmure twice now, so a fitting revenge for Edmure would be to kill Jaime's lover.

Still, I don't know if Edmure has it in him to do it, though

[Bryanfury]

Now this is a theory I can get along with. I don't think it's a certainty, but the evidence you've given made me think twice about the prophecy. You're dead on with the comparisons so it's an easy theory to swallow.

@Jon were Cersei and Edmure supposed to be a match pre-Rebellion and post-Elia? I know there was the Jaime-Lysa thing, can't remember if there was a plan for the other two.

[Lopsang]

As a big fan of . . . Cersei,

That's not something you hear every day. Care to expound?

As for the theory, I'm wary of making too much of prophecies in the book. I really don't think they mean much, and are there mainly as a thorn in the side of the characters' thoughts and ambitions. They can be purely self-fulfilling. They also have such a fatalistic nature - they're too obvious if they're real. Too much can be interpreted from them; essentially, everybody from Edmure Tully to Bloodraven can be a viable enough candidate if you make the right comparisons. There's also the possibility, as I said, that they don't mean much. Have any of them even been fulfilled yet? GRRM criticizes feudal society deeply, for being so fatal; that's why it's easy to connect with Davos and Jon Snow. Prophecies work on the same principle. There's nothing you can do to escape them, pretty much. Qyburn hints you can, but could have just been lying anyway.

Your theory in and of itself is pretty well-outlined, and lightyears beyond most. But I'm still wary.

[Good Guy Garlan]

That's not something you hear every day. Care to expound?

She's hilarious and entertaining as hell, and single-handedly saves aFfC

[juanml82]

I don't think killing a woman would really enhance Edmure's unjustified poor reputation. But I'd love this.

[juanml82]

That's not something you hear every day. Care to expound?

As for the theory, I'm wary of making too much of prophecies in the book. I really don't think they mean much, and are there mainly as a thorn in the side of the characters' thoughts and ambitions. They can be purely self-fulfilling. They also have such a fatalistic nature - they're too obvious if they're real. Too much can be interpreted from them; essentially, everybody from Edmure Tully to Bloodraven can be a viable enough candidate if you make the right comparisons. There's also the possibility, as I said, that they don't mean much. Have any of them even been fulfilled yet? GRRM criticizes feudal society deeply, for being so fatal; that's why it's easy to connect with Davos and Jon Snow. Prophecies work on the same principle. There's nothing you can do to escape them, pretty much. Qyburn hints you can, but could have just been lying anyway.

Your theory in and of itself is pretty well-outlined, and lightyears beyond most. But I'm still wary.

Yes, some prophecies have been fulfilled. Danny saw the Red Wedding at the HotU, and Patchface predicted it as well. The Ghost of High Hearth prophecies have been fulfilled except, maybe, for the part of Sansa slaying a giant. The leeches have been fulfilled. There are probably others, but I don't remember right now.

[Bryanfury]

As for the theory, I'm wary of making too much of prophecies in the book.

Just gonna throw it out there that unlike most prophecies, almost everything Maggy says comes true. The only things we're waiting on are the stone giant a fair maid slays, and the prophecy about Cersei's kids dying before the valonqar kills her.

[Hueylouis]

Jeyne westerling is being taken to Casterly Rock and she has been revealed to be in the twow prolouge. Edmure is also being escorted to CR with her, I wonder what this could hold.

I could also see there being some kind of battle/chaos at casterly rock that would occupy a lot of people, making this somewhat plausible,

[Northern_Star]

This must be the most convincing theory so far, even though the evidence is thin.

I don't think killing a woman would really enhance Edmure's unjustified poor reputation. But I'd love this.

^This

[Pod The Impaler]

I don't think killing a woman would really enhance Edmure's unjustified poor reputation. But I'd love this.

True.

And yet, if Ramsay Bolton turned out to be the Valonqar (now there's a crackpot theory!) his reputation would go up in peoples' eyes, and that is hard to do.

[Black Wolf Smith]

:bang: :bang: :bang:

It was, It is, and always will be Stannis.

Stannis is her brother thru her marriage to Robert.

Stannis is the brother that is of valyrian blood.

Stannis is the brother that she has never once thought of as her brother.

[Bryanfury]

:bang: :bang: :bang:

It was, It is, and always will be Stannis.

Stannis is her brother thru her marriage to Robert.

Stannis is the brother that is of valyrian blood.

Stannis is the brother that she has never once thought of as her brother.

Your argument has convinced me, o lord

[larastone]

we really need TWOW soon.....because yikesssss

[Thanos Targaryen]

Good theory. More logical than most. As essentially the sole survivor of his family that isn't in immediate danger of death (Blackfish is basically toast if he shows his face anywhere outside of the Brotherhood, at least until they retake Riverrun and start killing more Freys), and plenty bitter as indicated by his last words to Jaime in Hoster's solar, Edmure would really have nothing to lose and a lot to gain if he was the one to kill someone as reviled as Cersei. It does require Edmure becoming a significantly more important character in the next two books though, perhaps even becoming a POV personality.

[Jankmaster]

Well, I still want Radmure to have his vengeance for being one of the few nice guys who gets the short end of the stick from EVERYONE. Yet, him killking Cersei doesn't seem like something he'd do. He wants to be a chivalrous and noble man, not a murderer.

[twikee]

I really really pine for this theory, because this does not include mental gymnastics, only pure quotations from the books. This is a sound theoryyyyyyy and I hope this comes true.

[Lady Blizzardborn]

Brynden Tully would also work.