Daenerys Targaryen's slave Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, LionoftheWest said: There's no need for it. The Baratheon king will be the Tyrell's overlord. No Lannister overlord in sight. And there's precious little reason to think that an increased animosity between the Houses Lannister and Stark will have any effect on the Tyrells, or anything else for that matter. No, not "the Vale". Some lords wanted to go to war and some lords by all accounts wanted to keep out of the war. The Lords of the Vale are not a hive mind with a singular will and with their liege lady saying "No" nothing is going to come of it. So they will abandon their allies and Lord Stark's maternal relatives to run away and hide in the North? That don't sound like Robb Stark. If the Northmen does what's suggested above the Riverlords will figure they're getting abandoned and left out to die, so they'll bend their knees fast enough after the Northmen betrays them. Otherwise the Riverlands are indefensible and will not resist a Lannister conquest any better than they resisted the Ironmen, the Stormlanders and so on. If you arguing that Lady Olenna will murder her own son they you're growing short of arguments. Not a chance that will happen as the Tyrells seems to be fairly functional in their family dynamics. No. It would be even more stupid than executing Eddard Stark, but if its done according to acceptable reason, like executing a hostage in relation for one of their own hostages getting killed, then odds are that it will be accepted as an acceptable response. The biggest loss will be that we readers lose on the best characters in the series. No. For when Renly did die, as happened in the books, the Tyrells didn't retreat home but kept going. Odds are that they will do the same as they actually did. And you've yet to explain how the Tyrells will prevent a King Stannis with Florent in-laws from gaining the Iron Throne by going home. The problem is that you are not taking into account that Sansa would be executed for nothing. Ned could be executed for treason. Sansa, 12 year old girl, would be executed for nothing aall but he brother and Jaime dying fighting each other. A baseless execution done for petty reasons. And while Joffrey may have the Baratheon name, it is the Lannisters who will rule court, Lannisters soldiers, Lannisters men (Tywin, Kevan, Pycelle, Tyrion). Baratheon in name only. Olenne would not allow Margaery anywhere the Lannisters if she knew they executed the 12 year old daughter of a Lord Paramount for baseless reasons. It would be obvious to her that Margaery would be in constant danger. Had she known how the Lannisters were from the beginning she would have done everything in her power to go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 53 minutes ago, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: The problem is that you are not taking into account that Sansa would be executed for nothing. Ned could be executed for treason. No, I'm taking into account that the Starks would have executed Jaime and in retaliation the Lannisters would execute Sansa. As barbaric, simpleton and ignorant as "eye for an eye" is a legal theory, that's a bit of how it goes in Westeros. "Revenge" is an important concept to these people. Probably more important than "justice". 53 minutes ago, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: Sansa, 12 year old girl, would be executed for nothing aall but he brother and Jaime dying fighting each other. See above. 53 minutes ago, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: A baseless execution done for petty reasons. In our eyes, yes. In Westerosi eyes, not so much. 53 minutes ago, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: And while Joffrey may have the Baratheon name, it is the Lannisters who will rule court, Lannisters soldiers, Lannisters men (Tywin, Kevan, Pycelle, Tyrion). Baratheon in name only. Baratheon in name and his children and the children of Tommen will bear that Baratheon name as well. As for only Lannister men at court, I believe that took a change with the Tyrells moving in and eventually pushing the Lannisters out of the small council almost entirely. So much for that "Lannister domainated court". It only lasted as long as there were not other people around to move into said court. 53 minutes ago, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: Olenne would not allow Margaery anywhere the Lannisters if she knew they executed the 12 year old daughter of a Lord Paramount for baseless reasons. I agree. But if they executed Sansa for to Westeros acceptable reason, like in retaliation for the execution of Jaime, then the Tyrells are likely to go on as before. Possibly slating Tywin or, whoever decided to kill Sansa, for a kill as well but that would be it. 53 minutes ago, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: It would be obvious to her that Margaery would be in constant danger. Had she known how the Lannisters were from the beginning she would have done everything in her power to go home. Not really. Once Joffrey was dead, which the Tyrells saw to themselves, there really was no reason to think that Margaery would be in trouble as Cersei would have been kept on a short leash by Tywin and I doubt anyone could know for sure how poisonous Cersei would prove to be. Cersei only managed to cause total chaos thanks to Tywin dying out of the blue and thanks to Cersei being more malign and stupid than anyone could think possible. None are reasons that could easily be forseen. And do note that when the Tyrells have gotten to know the Lannisters, know them enough to schedule Joffrey for assassination, then the Tyrells are given oppertunities to back out of it like when Joffrey dies...but they don't. Instead they happily marry Margaery to Tommen instead of packing themselves back to Highgarden. So much for doing anything to go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Robb would have died, whether Jaime would have is another story, hopefully still alive for exchange for an untouched Sansa, Ice and Ned's remains and possibly the remains of the Northmen or most of them butchered by the Lannisters in their purge. Brandon and Rickon were still alive at the point of the possible duel I think and there would have been loyal armies sent to secure them in Winterfell, the Iron Born would have been repulsed earlier and maybe recapture Theon and get Asha too. The Bolton moves would be stymied and Ramsay might have received Justice by now. The Riverlands probably would have to be sacrificed as the North would have pulled back. Brandon might have listened to Osha and maybe had more help at the Wall to deal with the Wildlings led by Mace and eventually the Others and wyghts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Then the plot dies. Its amazing how these High Lords are out front leading their armies into battles without a scratch. It would've been more realistic if Jaime slew Robb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Last Wolf Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 05/11/2017 at 1:36 AM, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: The execution of Sansa would be political suicide to the highest degree, because of the senseless involved. Cersei never thinks about the consequences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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