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  1. if Stannis, tommen, myrcella and shireen all died in TWOW? like who would be crowned king or who would walk in and take it, after the initial chaos?
  2. it seems completely reliant on freak luck, people being idiots, and the tensions created by Renly making his own attempt on the throne, and cersei's affair with jaime. rather than it being only one person, WO5K was a snowballing disaster from a series of independent decisions. his entire plan would literally collapse into nothing if Robert Baratheon wasn't gored by a boar, for example.
  3. let's say Rhaegar managed to kill Robert but Rhaegar dies too of his wounds.
  4. except for the sake of the scenario, yes it is. read the OP, morons. i clearly meant quellon never enters robert's rebellion so all the major suicidal attacks of balon also do not occur. quellon is notoriously progressive so theres no reason why he can't maintain the neutrality in war of five kings. martells managed it. and read the OP. they are raiiding in this timeline. they just aren't launching massive stupid attacks on major families. and i don't need people telling me how supposedly boring it would be. this is simply speculative thought and if you dont want to do that, then dont click on my thread?
  5. you didnt tell me anything i didnt already know. what i clearly meant is what if quellon's death, greyjoy rebellion and greyjoy attack on the north dont occur. basically quellon tells his sons to screw off.
  6. since everyone on this site can't read, i guess i have to clarify. quellon never dies in this timeline because he told his sons to piss off. greyjoy rebellion is averted, and no matter what robb says, quellon also never helps him or anyone else in WoFK. doesnt mean hes not raiding people for food and resources. he still would. proceed from there with the effects.
  7. why did aegon stop with westeros? he and his sisters could have kept going, subjugating nearby lands. maybe not as far north as the wildlings but still. so in this timeline, he crowns himself emperor of westeros and continues on into summer isles, and some of the free cities. he was a warrior, and a conqueror, and i believe he could have been convinced to not stop (maybe by visenya)
  8. according to his speech with stannis, he didn't believe stannis was the heir. so if his own rebellion did not happen or take off, he would be nominally on the side of joffrey. for any reason you want. maybe with designs on becoming the regent/lord protector. maybe just to get more favor in court. maybe to make sure to deny stannis the iron throne and later on place tommen on it. how would that affect the WOTFK?
  9. who do you like more overall? i know we know more about boltons and of course theyre a pretty disliked house for stark fans. i myself like the evil houses a bit more anyway.
  10. who do you like more overall?
  11. which do you like more overall?
  12. then it must also be true that blood right should be a system by which you govern and that is all stannis and daenerys have. my point is to the victor goes the spoil and the history books. martial prowess also should not be a factor as the ironborn and dothraki both govern by that system. rightful heir to what? what the hell does "heir" mean? a throne they stole by murdering the targ kids and stealing their home away? because robert had a hammer and a big army? whats so rightul about that? by robert's example, anyone can take it away from him and all they need is a dragon or an even larger army. if the dynasty is built on muscling your way to power and being an asshole then anyone can be assholes right back. stannis whole thing is thinking robert had any true claim to the throne when he had the same flimsy "i have a big army" claim everyone else does. its arrogant and absurd. you wont be able to hold it if you're just basing it on "my brother was an asshole 20 years ago". power is a lie. a shadow on the wall. it lies where men believe it resides. and if its true that only the person with the greatest weaponry can have the right, ala aegon's example, then dany is the heir. all she has to say is bend the knee or burn. thats how it works. all those weak rulers you whined abouyt, they still had military support. they still had the backing of the lord paramounts. but once they did depose aerys, which i agree with btw, why didn't the throne immediately go to his closest blood relative? out of pure anti targ racism, viserys was denied it and that was the only reason. who the hell heard of a rebellion to stop a cruel king where you blame the kids for it? assholes do that. And it's important to remember that the rebels decided to crown Rebel because he had Targaryen blood. there is endless dialogue that shows thats not really what it was about. only the maesters cared about that. robert had a very big hammer and a very big army that saw him as their greatest general and leader. the only other alternatives either didn't want the thing or were brutally chased out of the country out of racism. thus he was crowned. he incorrectly feels he has any right to anything even though robert and aegon proved conquest is the only right that matters. there is a reason why hes trapped in the frozen north, outnumbered thousands to one with no hope of victory against the south. because he is not the rightful king. rightful kings have support and friends who back him up. he is so unpopular, unlikeable and generally an asshole that people see that and are like "ew.no". all the bannermen who should have risen for him happily turned their back on him for renly because at least renly is kinder. such a pragmatic and effective general that he successfully angered half the south, and the rest won't rise for him or his family either way. tyrells won't back him, not ever. arryns won't back him, not ever. and starks all want their independence back. and as i explained, all anyone needs to deny him that is have a bigger army which as it turns out, not that hard to manage. even his own supposed bannermen left him for renly. all that really matters is do you have a bigger army. robert's whole claim is based on "i have a big army and hammer" so is it surprising when with a few choice words, renly is convinced he can take that chair the exact goddamn same way? you already built up your dynasty on being assholes about it. not really. there is comments everywhere about how stannis is "omg the true king" and my entire point is no it isnt. the show has endless quotes about how power resides where men beleive it resides. how people take shit because they can, not because of blood. westerosi society is too warlike and its all about who can take it and hold it. and stannis cannot hold it. hes too unpopular. no monarch can do anything without friends and he never wanted any friends.
  13. UFT

    Quellon and Aerys

    what if quellon greyjoy supported the royalists from the beginning vs robert baratheon? maybe at the behest of euron. would that have turned the tide and maybe convinced tywin to be royalist
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