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  1. Everything you write is true yet again the the Tyrells are masters of PR and scheming. Remember they did get Joffrey killed and married Margaery to Tommen and keep their new power at court. So far no harm has come to attach themselves for it. I don't doubt for a second the Tyrells couldn't, and wouldn't, pull it off in way that makes somone else look responsible while they express their shock and grief at the horrible event. And as a disclaimer, I do not personally condone, support or in any way accept such actions RL or morally. Just in case people get ideas about it.
  2. I think that you overestimate how much Shireen needs to be a threat. She does not need either friends or allies, only puppetmasters, to be a threat to the Tyrell. And a child with both Baratheon and Florent blood? As I see it its a dagger pointed straight at the heart of the Tyrells. Hence why I want them to get her gone and not leave loose ends behind.
  3. I agree with this. And as a solution I'd offer Andals in Andalos. Just like the Ionian Greeks drew the mainland Greeks into constant conflict with Persia in antiquity so Andals in Essos could pull Westeros into wars in against powers in Essos. Both with Andals being the majority population in Westeros as well as the king being the "King of the Andals".
  4. I don't claim some special insight but, yeah, Andalos is pretty much emptied of Andals by this point in the story. Its a bit a bit sad but to my understanding GRRM wanted a story focused on Westeros and so cut many ties between Westeros and Essos to not drag Essos to much into Westerosi affairs in the main series. Thus no Andals in Essos for the Andals in Westeros to be in contact with or act as a kind of bridge for interaction between Westeros and Essos.
  5. Well it makes sense if you look at what the Lannisters will lose from a loss in the war. But you are right that I forgot about Renly so you have a point in that reasonably Renly should, by my logic, be a greater threat than Stannis due to the Tyrell support. So I will agree that its likely that its Stannis' military experience and proven record that makes him a larger threat in Tywin's eyes. As for how just Stannis is, I'm starting to lose my conviction that Stannis is a just man. Sure, Stannis is happy to enforce very strict morals and principles on others but for himself he's more lax. Like adultry, treating others like shit while complaining that others are mean to him...
  6. I don't think that Stannis is Robert or Robb. But Stannis make grevious mistakes that Tywin don't do. I'd put it down to Tywin thinking of Stannis as the largest threat to be to him not having a feel for the Young Separatist at that point. But it could also be that Robb and Stannis have different objectives. If things goes to hell, the Lannisters can always let the Riverlands and North go. Its really bad but there's the oppertunity of accepting the secession of the North and Riverlands. There's no such alternative with Stannis who wants the the Iron Throne. Its death or victory in the Baratheon civil war in a way I don't think is true in regards to the Northern rebellion. Hence why I think that Stannis is seen as the greater threat.
  7. Renly may not kill Stannis's wife and daughter. But Renly's Tyrell friends may see things in a different light and arrange for two accidents.
  8. Tywin of course. Stannis can absolutely defeat Tywin in a pitched battle, so I see every reason to think that Tywin will stay away from a decisive engagement like that until he has peeled off a sufficient number of Stannis bannermen to have a decisive advantage, as Tywin's diplomacy and Stannis unsocial character should start to drive people away from the Stag. And even then Tywin may not risk everything on a battle but keep killing Stannis with a thousand cuts and leave Stannis no oppertunity for a "death or glory" gamble that Stannis might just bring to a success.
  9. Just curious but how old was Jamie at the time of this event?
  10. In addition to this I would like to point out that the current queen is from House Lannister and Robert's heir when the book started had great favoritism towards the Lannisters. Thus a marriage with House Lannister should, reasonably, be very beneficient for the Redwynes and secure them a place at the table with King Joffrey.
  11. The fact that Roose risked an offensive battle and got away, even with losses, means that he totally had the men to risk that. Problem is that since Roose was doing a night march, he would only have realized that when very close to the Lannister army. And that means that he would have to try and wheel his army around, formed up and march away right infront of Tywin's army. That could easily have turned out even worse than the actual battle. If we're going to handwave things we don't like or can easily explain according to our pleasure as "necessary for the plot" or something like that. What is the purpose of this forum? Found this little gem on Roose's actions so far. I don't promise anything but I'll try to return with another and longer quote from the council when Robb settles on the matter. https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Roose_Bolton So why are we even discussing this at all then? What's the purpose of discussing character motivation when they only become relevant in the story if the author decides that they are relevant. Shouldn't the fact that we won't have a solid quote one way or another mean that Roose's options, orders etc. are entirely irrelevant?
  12. The problem with this is that Roose becomes passive and relies on Tywin to do what Roose wants while Roose has no way to force Tywin do what Roose wants. Finding defensive terrain is good, if Tywin comes after Roose. If Tywin however is comfortable with his own position he will just sit tight and there will be no battle between them. In fact it will offer Tywin the oppertunity to scout out Roose's position, very possibly find out that most of the heavy horse is gone and send a bird to Jaime to tell him that Robb's horse is not facing Tywin. Do you see the problem with this defensive and passive approach in relation to what Robb's need to distract Tywin and at the same time keep Jaime in the dark about Robb's plan to march on the siege of Riverrun?
  13. Unless I recall Roose followed the orders he had been given by his boss, which was to engage Tywin to keeping Tywin occupied while Robb struck at Jaime at Riverrun. If the battle was unnecessary, Robb should either have left Roose with more clear orders or removed Roose from his command after the battle. The fact that neither happened hints strongly to me that Robb was totally ok with Roose engaging Tywin to keep Tywin's mind and focus away from what Robb was doing. If you want I can try to dig up some quotes for this.
  14. Forgive me, but how isn't this Roose's caution? Roose was in command and he fought the battle cautiously and so could retreat in order. He didn't fall into Tywin's trap with a weak, I think it was the left flank, left flank used as a bait which Tywin hoped an inexperienced Robb bite at.
  15. You do realize that Tywin in the books was given a rather unique oppertunity and being in a pretty unique mindset with his father having turned fully on him? Earlier Tyrion would not have the same chance or felt so abandoned by his father.
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