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"The battle screamed about Lord Robert and Prince Rhaegar both, and by the will of the gods, or by chance-or perhaps by design-they met amidst the shallows of the ford. The two knights fought valiantly upon their destriers, according to all accounts. For despite his crimes, Prince Rhaegar was no coward" They fought on horseback not on foot. I not sure their is anything but fan art to support they fought on foot.

she can probably only give brith to one baby at a time, so would take a few years, and imguessing because they are not kings, their either not strong enough to produce shadow babies, or the act would be a one for one life sacrifice, and how likely are each member of the watch to sacrifice their lives for one night when their is moles town. also they're supposed to bear no children so...

do we have any indication that Stannis knows it was little finger who came up with that rumor? alive, only Cersei and Tyrion and Varys should know besides little finger, and how likely are any of the three to tell that to stannis? and if they do, how likely is stannis to trust them?

not to be morose, because I honestly dont know what posts your talking about in particular and am too lazy to investigate, but when discussing characters and events, many readers view the stories and characters through a lens of moral relativity. right and wrong do not particularly play into it as much as what an action gains the principle actor. we dont have to agree with what a character does or how they act morally, and that act can be both "evil" and the best move a character can make. Cersei murdering Robert is "evil", but also the best way she can ensure her children inherit the crown, and to that goal is therefore the "correct" move. it is a result of her selfish affair, but also the best way to ensure her children's future. Dany crucifying the slavers is "evil", or at least very cruel, and the correct thing to do to avenge the mutually murdered slaves. while the slaves may view this a cruel, her free slaves might view it a just and right. When a character does an act like this, they do it because they think it is the right and logical thing to do, and this is sometimes best understood and explainable through a veil that seems like justification, when is is simply recognizing a person, even an "evil" person, doing what they think is right. selfishness is relative to the person, and just as the characters of asoiaf disagree on religion and therefore morality, so too do they disagree on what is right. I understand your moral objections to this, but you have to understand that the issue you seem to be raising is a debate that has gone on for all of time. you dont have to agree with a characters immoral action, are allowed to condemn it, but you are not the character, and what you believe is right and what the character believes is right is not the same, and imposing your own moral standers on a character where like moral standers are not applicable is unfair.

their are a few examples around the forum but I found this pretty quickly and its about right: essentially he's been a guiding light for stannis, and had been confined and reforged 3 times

there are some theories along the line that Davos is light bringer. if so, then its no wonder Melisandre thought his soul "Burned hot and high." suffice to say he might be a special case.

oh! haha, yeah agreed. she might have been able to get a better deal if she took advantage of that

So, I'm not going to say rob couldn't have taken the twins, but the cost would be far greater than a marriage pact. rob had maybe 22,000 men at that point, while Frey could field 4000. the problem is the crossing would be absolute hell to try and storm, where rob could easily lose a third of his forces if not (likely) more. a prolonged siege would bleed them still, and yeah it would be long. Frey can be confident that Rob would rather meet his terms than fight him, and in tern, Rob gets Freys 4000. On the second matter, I think you're right. Frey loves his family, and probably did not know what Ramsey was, or at least did not suspect he would eventually murder his half siblings, and Ramsey was not made a Bolton until after the Red Wedding, so Fat Walda's children might have stood to inherit until then. It very well might have seemed like to Frey he was getting a soft coup marrying in and maybe having family acting as regent for the new warden of the north, as he's trying currently with Rosalyn and edmure. either way he gets his bloodline continued in great houses.

Making a guess based on zero evidence, I'd like to say they are symbolic of the three heads of the dragon for the three black (Dany, Jon, third person), and one green for the last Green Seer (Bran), champions of the fire god and ice god respectively

I feel like Sansa wouldn't mind marrying handsome prince faegon though. Them already having Tyrion will make it easier to get annulled, especially if the high septon decides he likes faegon as well. I think rulership of the riverlands is just another pride thing. Lord Tully would never let him have his daughters, for his low birth, and is now ruler of the riverlands. I do agree Sansa is his doom though. Just like the robin's toy giant she defeated, the man whose sigil is a titan of bravos is similarly doomed

Wouldn't the magic of essos be incredibly weak during this time? no dragons or anything. north of the wall you still have children of the forrest, skin changers and giants. Asshai might have had magic, but bittersteel supposedly died in the disputed lands between lys, tyrosh and myr. where did Melisandre grow up? how old is she really? does magic prolong her life, or does she use a glammer like a faceless man? Lys has witches so maybe something there.

I got really into Celtic myth. the other are heavily influenced by the Aos si, faeries and elves. Lyanna stark herself is probably named after Leanan Sidhe: Faery lovers - female aos si that take human lovers who have brief, yet highly inspired lives

I think the question is, what is little finger willing to be content with? I don't think he believed Cersei would muck everything up so much. The Death of Tywin was an unexpected variable. His living would have meant a relative time of peace. A peace where little finger could: 1. Secure the north via Sansa 2. The Vale via Sansa marrying Harry the Heir 3. His own ownership as lord paramount of the Riverlands 4. Uniting these lands by impregnating Sansa with is own child, and leaving his lands to that child. (I know its disturbing, but he is attracted to her and seems likely to be planning this) From there, he very well might conspire to make his secret child the new king, but I doubt he believes he could seize the crown himself. Varys plans do not exclude his own. Maybe little finger and Varys are then more like two schemers who only haven't butt heads because their plans are for different halves of the kingdom.

I agree with Aebram that the main issue is that time was of the essence. Rob was able to split his army thanks to the Freys which led to the success at the whispering woods. Also, Frey would know Ramsey to be an elevated Bastard, so might take slight at the proposed marriage. Roose himself would be better, being unmarried and lord, any sons would be the new lord of the dread fort anyways. Ultimately, Frey wanted the marriage to a great lord/king that would honor his house. Cat couldn't betroth her captured brother, so that leaves rob. that was enough to get him and his swords. you dont get a much better deal given the circumstances. I dont see Frey and crannogmen getting along in any case though, just vaguely working together like they had. Enmity there seems long given big and little Walder's impression of Jojen and Meera.

Well... the Great Sphinx of Giza is a lion with a man's face and no nose so...