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Its a nice feeling knowing so many things sensible people exist

Ranters gonna rant! Especially when they are vastly outnumbered by those who love the show. The overall positive reaction to this episode I'm sure creates the feeling of being a special snowflake. Great great episode

Exactly. What would be the point of doing the Kingsmoot so long ago if it doesnt have any relevance until this point?

A solid 9 from me. Any suggestion the show was getting worse or couldn't live without the books are starting to look very stupid right now. This is maybe one of the best episodes there has been. So full on incident and fantastic scenes, well written, well acted! Loved it. Its making its own path and doing it really well actually

Surely it has always been obvious Jon was coming back? I knew he was coming back the second I read he'd been stabbed in the book. It would make zero sense to kill him off at that point and many people recognise that.

Its a 6/10 for me. Not a good episode on the whole, not close to last weeks quality at all. Something about it felt quite off. I understand that there are times in the show where there is the need to slow down and take a breather and establish some nice character moments, and this was one of those times. Unfortunately those scenes which should have been great were not particularly well written, and often more than awkward to watch. Tyrion's scene especially was .. not right. It was just too lighthearted and bouncy, played for the comedy element but wasn't funny. I dont like that Tyrion who is just making funny comments without much of a bite in them. Doesn't fit. Sam's scene should have been a nice moment too, but it wasn't. It was pretty flat. Also the dialogue was very expositional this week, more so than usual, I have to admit that. I'm sure there is a better way of introducing characters then simply shouting out their names on screen.. BRAN! And a lot of swearing! I know its full of dirty Northerners but you can do better. .. Other than that I liked a lot of things. - Jon and CB was great. Seeing those hints that he's not the man he used to be, that he looks quite haunted, but not comically so, really effective. Especially the way he hanged Thorne and co. Really liked that he experienced nothing when he was dead, although it puts the nail in the coffin of him being a warg. - TOJ scene was actually pretty great, apart from its introduction. I for one care not a single shit for how many swords someone carries, and so the fight was really enjoyable. There was something eerie and unreal about the Tower too. - Good to have Varys be a threatening bastard again. Don't like nice Varys. - I actually enjoyed Ramsey this week, thought that was a surprisingly good scene.

Even if you don't compare the show to others, which is something I can't really understand, because a qualitive judgement is always based on comparison to other things, then a 1 vote would only make sense if every single element of the show was awful. Since, as you have admitted, that is not the case. I'm not sure how anyone can justify it other than as petulance, and they shouldn't really be taken seriously.

Even if you don't compare the show to others, which is something I can't really understand, because a qualitive judgement is always based on comparison to other things, then a 1 vote would only make sense if every single element of the show was awful. Since, as you have admitted, that is not the case. I'm not sure how anyone can justify it other than as petulance, and they shouldn't really be taken seriously.

yes I think you are spot on with this. Its not so much that one is good and one is bad, clearly both are good in their own way, have their own strengths and weaknesses. The books do detail, political landscape and character depth well, the show moves forward at a better pace and can often be more intense and exciting. That partly a matter of the medium. So when someone complains about a change (which often is merely a bitter complaint that they didn't do a direct page to screen translation) they totally miss the point of WHY things are changed and why characters are different. Show Tyrion is more shallow than Book Tyrion: All characters are going to be more shallow than their book counterparts because there is less time with them and importantly, no internal monologues. Much of Tyrions chapters in the later books were cut due to them slowing down the pace, but also because there is no battle of meereen, no Aegon and the need for him to be in Meereen a lot sooner. The aim of the show is often to try and fit in character development where they can and try to make sure it is at the same time as pushing the story forward. Of course, the mentalists on the board might suggest that Tyrion is different to book tyrion because their is a conspiracy to make him look like a saint because he's a popular character. That shows a gross ignorance of everything that is going on in the show.

8.5 to a 9 for me, I loved almost every minute of it. I really enjoyed the humour for once, so many great little lines or moments. Fantastic timing for the Mountain's head smashing + Wun Wun Hulking that member of the NW. Plus Tyrions 'don't eat the help line'

Thats fine. But at least admit what it is you are doing, which is not objectively watching the show, but comparing it to the books. Also simply ignoring many of the aspects of the show which you suggest are simply 'eye candy', when they are entirely as relevant to its quality as anything else is petty. For sure you can sit and complain if you don't like the writing, and maybe give the writing a 1 if you like (i'd disagree as even that is a massive overreaction) but objectively there hasn't been a single episode of the show that could possibly be given a 1 rating. Even the very worst last season I'd possibly give a 3-4 , and even then it had many great aspects in the same episode.

Voting a 1 to almost anything is nothing more than a massive over-reaction. There are very few tv shows or movies I can honestly say deserve a 1.Even the ones I've thought were awful in so many ways would gain a couple of points for reasonable acting or being visually appealling, or being entertaining enough that I didnt want to be sick. I could say that something like American Horror Story or Revenge are absolutely awful tv shows and I hate them.. but even them I couldnt give them a 1 because on some level they show some sort of expertise and have some entertainment value. Which why voting a 1 to GoT is such an obvious attention grabbing move, and everyone can see through it. Its the equivilent of a child throwing his toys out of the pram. Even if you hated the storyline, the changes, the writing (which you are entitiled to do, though I'd say that was up for debate) .. on some basic level the show at the very least.. 'looks nice', it has good music, and a lot of very talented actors. To give it a 1 would be to willfully ignore everything decent about the show. So go ahead, do that, doesn't bother anyone, but we all know whats really going on.

Thats not quite what I imagined.

Well it shows that outside of this board there is a general opinion that the episode WASN'T terrible, in fact it was very much liked. Even on this board more people have rated the episode a 7 or an 8 out of ten than a 1. You can really imagine the sort of people who rated it a one.

I don't need to say much. I can let the facts talk for me. But don't let anything like facts stop you from ranting,doesn't stop anyone else.

Should also point out that this episode has a 92% score on Rotten Tomatoes, 73% on Metacritic, 8.3 among metacritic users, and an 8.5 on IMDB. So I'd say calling this episode 'terrible' would be put you in an extreme minority overall, and even in a minority on a rabid book fanboy board.

Lol, shows how little you know then doesn't it. Bitch is a word derived from medieval Germanic, and pussy was referred to for female genetalia as far back as the 16th century but possibly even further. Unless of course you are expecting the whole show to be in some form of Medieval English , meaning you'd not understand it. Except westeros is not even historical so any talk of what words would or wouldn't be used is nonsensical

I think the general opinion is that it was far from terrible. Honestly, hyperbole is so unbecoming.

Its called setup

A solid 8 episode for me. It would have been a 9 but there was Dorne, but even then I enjoyed those scenes in their brief form, and look forward to Dorne being less utilized and dragged out like the books. Otherwise its hard to criticise that episode, it was a solid entertaining start to the season. It covered a lot other the plots and brought you back into the world, made you aware of what is going on everywhere and made you want to find out more. It was beautifully shot and I enjoyed literally every scene.

Agree with this, the chat thingy is a real annoyance one mobile especially. When you have notifications at the bottom, it becomes impossible to click on them. The Chat system should be something you have to purposely look for, rather than something forced on you on every screen you look at.

He was surprisingly ok in it too, considering how awful he was in Got

Maybe there is a connection to Dorne in Dany's storyline, which will take on elements of the Aegon plot. It could be that Dorne helps to arrange her passage to Westeros and backs her, but doesn't bother with the marriage part of the story. As for the Yunkish, they could be an intermediary in that process somehow I guess.