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  1. I think I agree to a point that the Long Night will be the more important thing to happen. But I do think it happens before getting rid of Aegon at KL. Getting rid of Aegon is more of an afterthought (the scouring of the shire if you will).
  2. I would say the North becomes independent. I do think Dany burns down KL but I don't think she "goes mad" but becoming a tyrant, maybe. I can't connect the dots on how she gets there yet. But I haven't thought about it too much. Jon ending up north of the wall I could see happening and I still think he kills the NK. The burning of the Iron Throne I could see. I do think there will be a fight after the battle with the Others, but The Others are definitely the main enemy and take up a lot more. The Iron Throne is an after thought. Arya I could see sailing away trying to "find her home" or a place where she belongs. Honestly, that's about it. I think the rest of it deviates from the show. I don't see how Bran becomes King of anything really. Though there is just so much unknown with the 3 Eye Raven and what he is all about so. His story could go so many directions. Sansa I could see becoming Lady of the North, in the books she is learning from Little Finger, and learning things in the background. I just don't know how she gets there yet. But someone has to rule Winterfell, but there is Rickon so.... I guess he has to die somehow. Stannis dies obviously at some point but is going to win the battle of ice so. I think Cersei dies much sooner and Jamie completes his redemption arc. Personally I see either Euron or f/Aegon sitting on the throne as the final enemy but again, it's not this long drawn out battle, it's more of an afterthought. Like the scouring of the shire.
  3. I guess incest isn't just a Targ thing anymore....
  4. Ah I see you subverted our expectations, good job! High praises!
  5. Not really, I have considered this show fan fiction for a few seasons now.
  6. I could write pages of rants for this episode but the short version is: The pacing was awful. The amount of time spent watching people walk was just annoying. A lot of that episode could have been trimmed down. That goes with this season, a lot of useless shots were added for what I assume is artistic reasoning. R+L=J is a big nothing, really serves no point Drogon burning the Iron Throne because Dany died? What? Bronn becoming Lord of Highgarden and master of coin? Come on. Bran is king? The same person you cut for an entire season because you didn't know what to do with him? And the purpose of him being the 3 eye raven is? Because it makes him a good story teller? He didn't tell us one story. The closest was telling Sansa she looked good when she got raped. And if to be King the biggest qualifier is you can tell a story well, shouldn't Sam be king? He at least told/knew stories. Tyrion is brought to the dragon pit, "no one wants to hear from me, half hate me for supporting Dany the other half for betraying her." Then they all sit there and listen to him and take his idea? What? They send Jon to the NW for I assume what is a prison sentence and the man we have been led to believe that puts duty and honor before all else, just says, Nah, I am going North of the Wall, eff that. And they let him? Isn't Sam still in the Night's Watch? How did he get out of his vows? Jamie and Cersei could have lived if they just moved 5 feet to the left. Why would the Unsullied just capture Jon as prisoner after killing their queen? They would have killed him, they have been killing everyone else. What happens to the Dorthraki? After Sansa says, Nah we are not joining this. Why isn't Dorne and the Iron Islands saying the same thing. The Iron Islands have been wanting independence for some time now. Arya learned how to be a faceless man but didn't use faces at all this season? Turns out it's just a ninja assassin academy I guess. This joke of a season couldn't have ended any other way, with by far the worst episode of the entire series.
  7. I am trying to remember, Dany's father had visions when he was younger? Do we ever know when he did? Because if he had them when he was younger and could control them like Dany can, then the story could parallel. Dany/Mad King control visions early on to only slowly be broken down by them because of outside conflicts that take place, such as the ones happening to Dany. They change the way she views the world, changes the way she views dreams/interprets them. And you're right, the actions she does that other see as mad, we understand because we get her point of view. Is part of that purpose for us to see the POV of other "mad" kings and realize maybe they were not so mad. That we see things only from other's view and how they interpret these events... I think her character starts off (pretty) simple and develops into a complex one. I think D&D botched the complexity of her character or didn't realize it was supposed to be so complex.
  8. Her last few chapters in Dance it shows how her emotions and gut run her instincts. that she doesn't always think things through. Now you can blame it on her advisers not being there and that is a fair judgement. But her going and becoming mad is talked about a lot in the books... Obviously her father is mad and Illyrio talks to Tyrion about her brother is slightly mad. "Visery's was the mad king's son, just so." Selmy references the God's flip a coin on Targ Madness, so you could say her coin is still spinning.. Quentyn Martell talks about madness in the Targ bloodline. Ser Kevan references her being as mad as her father. Arianne Martell also worries she is mad as does Ser Daemon. There have been roughly 5 or 6 mad kings and princes in the Targ family. The seeds were definitely planted and constantly referred to in the books that she could go mad. I am not saying she is mad right now. But it is heavily hinted and implied in the books that it could happen.
  9. I mean, her going mad is definitely happening in the books. Or at least, it is implied heavily that it is going to go down in the books. Maybe she comes back at the last minute, who knows. But I doubt he is struggling with her madness or showing madness, it is already happening.
  10. When did she address the commonfolk of KL to let them know that she was freeing them? I agree with the NK, and that's why northerners are now following her south to fight her war. She did something for them, they do something for her. I don't see at any point where you can say, she did something for the commonfolk of KL and them actually realize she did it or was a part of it.
  11. So she kills everyone because she wasn't liked enough? We were reminded constantly how much she did for the people of different cities, how she freed them and earned their respect and that's why they are following her to an entirely different continent. Why they trust her with their lives. But for the first time, she didn't do anything (yet) to earn respect of the people and so she snaps and murders them?
  12. GRRM didn't write anything from this season or last. And I would argue the story since his departure has been awful. But like I said, if you're right about that, it's a good call.
  13. I don't think I have agreed with a single thing you have wrote about D&D writing a good story this season or Dany going mad justifiable this season. But if D&D are playing some crazy 4D chess and they actually remember this call back and they mention it in Tyrion's possible trial next episode. Then good on you man, better than me.
  14. This should have been a 10/10 episode. The cinematography I thought was well done (for the most part). The musical scores were good. The acting was good. And, the greatest event that should have ever happened on TV happened with Cleganebowl. Also, we all knew Dany was going to go mad and do this... so it's hard to be too upset and disappointed with a move that was telegraphed that far ahead. My issues were the GC were a big nothing. Apparently Euron's fleet was nothing as long as your back is to the sun. Castle walls are a bit nothing (which maybe, I don't know.) Arya still can't die. The girl has been stabbed multiple times, jumped off buildings, burned or very close to burned by dragon fire, had buildings fall on her, it's just stupid. Dany going mad because when she saw the red keep it "made it personal" so she slaughtered all these innocent people? Come on. That's dumb logic. Northmen suddenly just slaying innocent people... Cersei dying in the arms of Jamie from a tower... I feel like we all got short changed on that one. But they love Lena so they wanted to give her the best death they could think of. Oh, and by the way, Jamie is half Arya apparently, being able to get stabbed multiple times and walk it off. Why did Euron care so much that he was the man who killed Jamie, seemed weird. Cleganebowl is the one thing they could have done to really save their bacon and it was alright. Maybe it is because I built up too much hype in my head. But the cuts from that and Arya were annoying. Just stick with one. But it was a fitting end for the two I guess. So long story short, most of it was pretty predictable, Dany going mad, which I do think will happen in the books was VERY poorly executed in the show. My group could not agree on why she went mad during the episode and even during the Inside the Episode, none of us knew what, "made it personal" really meant for her as a character. I give it a 3/10. Really a 2.5 but I round up for Cleganebowl. Edit: Also, when did Tyrion become such a self sacrificing character? I get wanting to save Jamie, even Cersei, but all of KL. Didn't he just have a scene 4 years ago about wanting to watch them all burn? What changed? It seemed kinda abrupt...
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