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  1. That's why I think GOT would have been better had it been schlock all the way through. Then it would have just been another poor adaptation that no one would have taken too seriously.
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    How likely is a Jon/Sansa match (aka Jonsa)?

    What do we know about Tanselle, really? She was a pretty Dornish woman who was good at painting and was polite to Dunk. That's about it. Rohanne was a headstrong ginger who practiced archery but was otherwise a traditional lady. I don't think Dunk would turn up his nose at Sansa.
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    What's your favorite speech?

    Sam's eulogy for Maester Aemon. "He was a good man," he began . . . but as soon as he had said the words he knew that they were wrong. "No. He was a great man. A maester of the Citadel, chained and sworn, and Sworn Brother of the Night's Watch, ever faithful. When he was born they named him for a hero who had died too young, but though he lived a long long time, his own life was no less heroic. No man was wiser, or gentler, or kinder. At the Wall, a dozen lords commander came and went during his years of service, but he was always there to counsel them. He counseled kings as well. He could have been a king himself, but when they offered him the crown he told them they should give it to his younger brother. How many men would do that?" Sam felt the tears welling in his eyes, and knew he could not go on much longer. "He was the blood of the dragon, but now his fire has gone out. He was Aemon Targaryen. And now his watch is ended."
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    Little Questions That Don't Fit Anywhere Else Part 3

    Wrong thread
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    You make a good point about it being "the" valonqar rather than "your" valonqar. I do, however, think Cersei's death will be more fulfilling if it is caused by her own actions. For Tyrion, the ultimate irony would be that she tried to have Tyrion killed, thus giving him a reason to hate Cersei and want her dead in turn. But it certainly could be someone else. Though at this point, I am fairly convinced that it won't be Jaime. If it is Arya in the books, I'm guessing that they changed it on the show since they wanted her to kill the Night King, and having her kill both of them in one season would have been overkill (no pun intended).
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Someone wrote a really great essay about Daenerys as a tragic figure, with Shakespeare's work serving as the main inspiration. https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/2019/04/19/daughter-of-death-a-song-of-ice-and-fires-shakespearean-tragic-hero/ A lot of people were miffed that Cersei was killed by rubble on the show, but it got me thinking about the valonqar prophecy, and how it could be more abstract than we realized (and thus hard to adapt for a television series). If Tyrion is the one who urges Dany to attack King's Landing in the books, then Cersei could suffocate on the smoke from the fires, thereby "choking her" to death. (And I do think Tyrion is the most likely culprit for the valonqar. If Jon kills Dany in the books, GRRM isn't going to have two main characters assassinate their lovers).
  7. Didn't Jon technically give up on Bran too? In the show, they had Sam tell Jon about Bran being alive, but after Jon left the Night's Watch, he just. . . never brought it up again. Ehh at this point, I can't try to reason with the show anymore. There are just too many errors to bother justifying.
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    House Banefort

    As you can tell, when I joined this site, I chose a very obscure house from the Westerlands for my username. I liked House Banefort's sigil, and was intrigued by the tidbit about them being the closest seat to the Iron Islands. Which leads me to this question: how has House Banefort managed not to get invaded by reavers, when they're in such close proximity to the Ironborn? Throughout the main series and supplementary material, we're told that the Ironborn have invaded Kayce, Fair Isle, Lannisport, the Arbor, Seagard, Bear Island, Deepwood Motte, Torrhen's Square, etc. But as far as we know, never Banefort. Maybe there just isn't much there to loot, although I doubt that there's much more on Bear Island. They could just have a highly-fortified castle, but I'm wondering if this is something that was instead prevented by marriage alliances. If Banefort had family ties to some of the Ironborn houses, especially on Pyke, that could explain why they haven't been attacked by reavers. What are your thoughts?
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    TWOW in July 2020 seems ever more likely

    I'm actually a little puzzled as to what took AFFC so long. George said that it took about a year to ditch the five year gap, and then a little bit longer to split the book in half. But after that, the story is very straightforward. None of the magical characters that George says he finds the most challenging to write--Jon, Dany, Bran--are in AFFC, and I think that if George had been a less established writer, his editor probably would have made him condense the Sam and Brienne chapters quite a bit. So the only reason I can figure that it took so many years was probably due to his own perfectionism.
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    How likely is a Jon/Sansa match (aka Jonsa)?

    Let's be real. If Sansa and Dunk were alive at the same time, they'd be the OTP to rule them all
  11. I'm still trying to figure out why Littlefinger didn't leave so much as a single guard with her when he left for King's Landing.
  12. Yeah, well, that was the ultimate dumb show twist. They wanted to recreate the Battle of Helm's Deep, so they needed the Vale showing up to be a "surprise." I think the most sympathetic view would be that Sansa didn't want to include LF because he sold her into sex slavery, and she didn't want to be indebted to him. Then when she realized Jon couldn't win, she had to enlist them. For what it's worth, someone wrote a pretty heartfelt essay about Sansa's decisions through the lens of an abuse survivor after season six ended. I sincerely doubt D&D considered any of this, but it's a pretty good read regardless: https://thefederalist.com/2016/07/26/why-sansa-stark-cant-trust-jon-snow-and-many-people-are-like-her/ Jon and Dany are much better characters than Edward and Bella, at the very least, even if I don't think the show pulled off the love story. Show-Sansa was inconsistent as hell, but I do think people overlook her being the one to draw Jon back from the edge of the abyss. And even if her and Jon bickered, we do know she still cared about him. She didn't want him to go South in seasons seven or eight because she thought he'd die if he did, and when Arya threatened to expose that dumb letter she wrote back in season one, she was worried about the northern lords abandoning Jon, not her. So yes, the show butchered Sansa, but I really don't see her as the villain in Jon's story.
  13. I think my problem is that I don't really see what Sansa did as a betrayal, although I guess I was supposed to, based on the script. It would probably help if we had actually gotten to see the scene of him telling Sansa and Arya about R+L=J.
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    TWOW in July 2020 seems ever more likely

    I have seen it theorized that George finished Winds years ago, and has spent the time since then obsessively editing and re-writing it. This is one of those reasons why I think George desperately needs a hug and for someone to tell him that he needs to stop stressing out about trying to make everything perfect. No matter how it turns out, there are people who are going to love it and people who are going to hate. But no matter what, we're definitely not going to stop reading and talking about it.
  15. Yeah, don't underestimate the power of marketability. I went on the HBO store site the other day, and they have a filter that allows you to view merchandise based on the character. Even now, Daenerys has twice as much merchandise as everyone else, even Tyrion. And then there's another category just for dragon merch. They also turned Tyrion into St. Tyrion and had Jon remain completely unchanged by death. So I definitely agree that fan popularity played into their decision-making. I see what you mean about Meereen and Yunkai, but I'm not sure if that's the way GRRM intended for us to see it. The reason why I say that is because he reportedly read the "Meereenese Blot" essays, which argued that Dany did achieve lasting peace in Meereen, and was very pleased by them, saying that the author was someone who "got it." I guess that leads us into another conversation about author intentionality and whether GRRM succeeded there.
  16. After that exchange, Tyrion said "Do you see Sansa swearing eternal loyalty to a queen she neither likes nor trusts?" Then when Tyrion asks why Jon thinks Sansa told Tyrion his secret, Jon says "She doesn't get to choose!" Tyrion replies, "But you do." I know the script said that Arya was his favorite sister, but the show didn't really do a great job of showing that. I guess it all comes back to how condensed the last season was. But either way, I think it's fair to say that the bond between Jon and Arya in the books trumps any of those with their other siblings. And Jon's last "mission" before he died was to go save (f)Arya. If you want show-names for all the characters, there's already a helpful glossary: https://www.thefandomentals.com/book-snob-glossary/ I agree that man-kills-woman-to-save-the-world is an outdated trope. But if it does happen in the books, Jon will be very different. He'll be resurrected wolfman Jon, who will probably grow even more detached from the world as the series progresses.
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    How likely is a Jon/Sansa match (aka Jonsa)?

    I think it was the mention of House Hardyng that piqued people's interest. And that it's been almost a decade since that last book came out and we have to find something to speculate on in the meantime.
  18. From what I can recall, Corlys Velaryon and Larys Strong made the decision to assassinate Aegon II because he refused to pardon the lords who defied him, and instead wanted them executed. He also planned on executing Baela, who hadn't even fought in the war, but was Daemon's daughter (she did fight Aegon on dragonback, but that was when he was attacking Dragonstone, where she had been living for years). If we use Aegon II as a precedent, then Dany will probably want to wipe out all of the houses who defied her, possibly down to the last man, like Aerys did with the Darklyns and Tywin did with the Reynes and Tarbecks. If Jon kills Dany (which I suspect he will), it will probably be to save Arya, thus completing the "treason for love." In the show, he killed her to save Sansa, but the show basically switched the Jon-Arya relationship for Jon-Sansa (similar to how they made Arya have a closer relationship with Sandor than Sansa did, unlike in the books). ASOIAF does generally seem to come down on the side of mercy. Tywin wiped out the Reynes and Tarbecks, but his precious legacy is in ruins. Neither Aerys nor Maegor showed any mercy, and they were assassinated. Even Daeron II decided to bring down the hammer on the Blackfyre supporters, and yet it still failed to prevent four more rebellions. The only time I can think of mercy not working was for Balon Greyjoy, who did launch a second rebellion. But it did work for, say, Jaehaerys and the Baratheons.
  19. Do you have a link to where they talked about George's reaction to Sansa's season five plot? I would love to read that.
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    How likely is a Jon/Sansa match (aka Jonsa)?

    Woah. Seven pages in ten hours. I guess r/freefolk aren't the only one who get all hot and bothered by Jonsa. I have come across very few Jonsa shippers over the years, personally. They seem to be mostly limited to tumblr, and honestly: let people ship who they want. There are far worse crackships out there. If there's a ship that many Sansa fans care about, it's SanSan, which does have textual evidence. The Jonsa theory seems to rest on a combination of the Ashford Suitor Theory and the 1993 outline. It's more likely, in my opinion, that the Targ suitor from the Ashford Theory is fAegon, who I predict will channel his (alleged) father by marrying a Martell (Arianne) only to then become infatuated with a Stark (Sansa). He may even try to marry both of them; we've been hearing about Targ polygamy since AGOT, but we haven't seen it since Maegor the Cruel. Regardless, I fully support the interpretation that incest is a metaphor for elitism, and that it will only lead to destruction. Even Jaehaerys and Alysanne, Westeros' most famous power couple, had to suffer through outliving ten of their thirteen children (eleven in Jaehaerys' case). I don't see the Starks having that fate.
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    House Banefort

    Good find. If we get even a small bit of additional information about House Banefort in the upcoming books, I will be glad for it.
  22. This is why I think that book-Dany will be more like Rhaenyra than Aerys. She won't suddenly become mentally ill; she'll be hardened due to repeated losses and betrayals. I had always thought of Cersei as the Rhaenyra parallel, but I'm warming up to idea of her being more like Alicent Hightower. (She already schemed to put a pretender on the throne after her husband's death). Rather than fleeing to Casterly Rock, I could easily see Aegon deciding to hold her captive in the Red Keep. Then we could still get her account of what's happening in King's Landing. It would also be an ironic parallel to Sansa, who had been Cersei's prisoner.
  23. Maybe the showrunners were full of it and Dany will go down as the savior of Westeros, but I also remember when all the hardcore ASOIAF fans were absolutely certain that Bran would spend the rest of his life in that cave, and anyone who disagreed or thought that would be anti-climatic had clearly misread the text
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    Theon and Jeyne

    I don't know about Jeyne, but I like the theory that Asha will convince Stannis to spare Theon by using the Latecomer loophole, and pledging that if Theon is allowed to return to the Iron Islands and take the Seastone Chair, the Ironborn will declare for Stannis.
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