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2 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

Yes, but he's never extended that grace to someone like Falia before. The Aeron we met in AFFC would have told himself that he was going to feast in the Drowned God's watery halls (which he often does when he thinks of his dead brothers), but chances are he would have just ignored Falia. 

Maybe the extreme conditions and mental mind warps gave him a different perspective 

13 minutes ago, aryagonnakill#2 said:

Lem

That would be a hell of a fight

On 3/28/2014 at 6:17 AM, Moshroom said:

I wanted to install the app, but it says, it is incompatible with my phone? is there any other legal way to read the tyrion chapter?

https://www.bookbub.com/blog/the-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-chapters

On 6/5/2012 at 5:55 PM, Hmadkour said:

 

anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?

george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!

george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”

the questions moved on for some time, but then a girl asked “well what about podrick payne? he was getting hung with brienne!” and george confirmed that brienne had made the decision to swear her sword to stoneheart in order to save the innocent podrick payne from the noose

shortly after that the q&a session ended and we disbanded, but my heart is still ripped up and in conflict about this shit because at the end of dance with dragonsbrienne appears in jaime’s pov and he abandons the war effort to follow her - where is she taking him? will stoneheart ask her to kill jaime? if she does, how will jaime handle the betrayal? will he live? will they both live?

I have felt for a long time that this will be Jaime’s left hand trial by combat moment. All the nights he spent training with Adam Marbrand and Ilyn Payne. All the bruises and insecurities. Maybe it all comes to a head when he comes face to face with Lady Stoneheart. I’m probably way off base, but oh what a fight. I wonder who he would battle. Brienne possibly. 

Is anyone certain that Shadrick recognizes sansa? Did Littlefinger tell him it was her? That would seem reckless for someone who likes to keep everyone guessing. As to Littlefingers Sansa motivation, I feel like he would somehow kill SweetRobin and let Sana marry Harry the Heir. Once Harry has the Veil and Sana’a has the support of the north, maybe Littlefinger offs Harry and reassumed control over the veil and attempts to marry Sansa? Lots of holes in this theory I realize. 

18 minutes ago, TNTW said:

I've worked thru the stages of grief. I finally made it to acceptance. What do I win? (Besides my sanity)

Your life back lol. We all win. No more obligatory watching because we know at this point, we’re in too deep. We have to see it through and then, we live.

48 minutes ago, House Balstroko said:

I never expected the battle (if we can even call it that) to play out in such a one dimensional manner. I was hoping for the Golden company to play a larger role. The Greyjoy fleet was decimated.

I guess the point was to illustrate the madness and danger of a Targaryen on a dragon, but after seeing two of them go down, the idea of a single one giving KL so much trouble doesn't sit well with me. There should have been a bigger battle.

The only part that played out in a satisfactory manner was the duel between the two Clegane's. I was only expecting Yara to face off against Euron as that would have been more poetic.

But it makes SO MUCH sense that euron happened to swim to safety in the exact time and spot that Jamie is in when trying to get to Cersei...

9 hours ago, Gianna Dorenberg said:

It really was. At first when the slow mo started and the camera was focused in on Arya's face I thought , maybe, maybe she had a fatal wound on her stomach area ? Not that it would've stopped her, but I assumed since this scene was the end of the episode, that there was something coming up, a cliffhanger, a big reveal or moment but nope. It really was a pointless scene. Like you said, trying to be artistic without any clear direction or substance.

It was all just professor X sending Wolverine a magical uber. I'm sure Wolvie would have made it home without that magical uber. Nothing can stop this Wolvie.

I was trying to figure this out as well. I wondered if it was the hounds horse or.....that’s all I managed to reach. Doesn’t surprise me though. With all the reaching of this episode it was pretty crowded.

1 minute ago, Zorral said:

If one wished to provide a sort of insightful credit to writers that they certainly have not earned in any way, it would be what happens when human beings achieve free will, rather than being enslaved objects of others' will.

Daenerys broke the Unsullied's chains.  They now have personality and character and choice, as we see grow within Grey Worm over several seasons.  Part of that was learning to love someone, someone, again enslaved,  helpless and without power, killed for no reason other than Cersei being the crazy mad eviLe b*tch she's always been, using Missandrei as an object lesson.  So, it was Torgo Nudho, meaning in High Valyrian,* "Grey Worm," who makes the free will choice -- his own choice, not an order -- to kill.

As I commented, the showrunners didn't earn that. It wasn't there on the screen.  I brought it.

*  I have no idea why at that moment Daenerys speaks to him with his name in High Valyrian.

 

*Probably the writers doing. 

Totally agree. All of it. 

54 minutes ago, Red Dragon10 said:

Definitely, Daenerys starting burning everything first, then he threw the spear.  But killing everybody was definitely what Grey Worm wanted to do!  I think him and D were of a similar mind to make everyone pay. 

He did look like he was having a major internal struggle and just kind of made a snap decision though. I will have to rewatch as well.

10 minutes ago, Wsc48 said:

Back to the Night's watch with him.  Lol

He can help rebuild the wall 

I really think he will kill Dany. That will be the betrayal for love? Davos for the Hand of whoever ends up ruling the city of ashes. 

3 minutes ago, Red Dragon10 said:

If I was watching this show for the first time, and I started with this episode, I think I would be pretty impressed.  It was super cinematic and amazing to look at.  Really beautiful.  The episode itself is good...it just doesn't make sense AT ALL for a number of the characters.  So its difficult for me to articulate what I think about it because aspects of it are done so well and other aspects are completely nonsensical. 

I've mostly appreciated Sandor's arc.  I don't buy that he was able to end Arya's drive for revenge with what he said, but I can appreciate what they were saying about the senselessness of vengeance consuming one's life.  And I'm glad that Sandor understood that, too (even if he felt it was too late to change it).  

I was fairly impressed with Emilia's acting this episode.  She does well playing Daenerys in this way.  It's so unfortunate that the lead up to this was so abrupt.  I am one of those who has thought she would likely end up being a very cruel and unfit ruler, from very early on.  Ever since she saw her brother crowned.  And there have been multiple signs all through the seasons that reinforced my opinion that she would eventually turn into a tyrant.  That she wasn't the person she thought she was (not a savior).  BUT.  If she had 'snapped' and had flown to the Red Keep and burned that, I would have found it believable.  But there is absolutely no excuse for her suddenly deciding to destroy the entire city, and all the people in it.   THAT was too abrupt.  

Jaime.  I voiced my thoughts and disappointment about him in the 'they ruined Jaime thread'.  They did indeed ruin him.  They have shown him to gradually be someone who *does* care about innocents.  Who has that 'true knight' inside.  And then, in his last 2 episodes, they have him completely revert to the man he was in 1x01.  Huh?!  I never thought he stopped loving Cersei, but to reiterate that nothing but two of them matter...to care about nothing else but saving this woman, to essentially say to hell with everything and everyone else.  I'm so disappointed.  Probably more disappointed about his character than anyone else on the show. 

I don't see anything else for Jon but death or exile.  I do like his character...but this catastrophe is absolutely on him as well.  

One tiny moment - I admit my breath did catch a bit when Tyrion put his hand on Varys' arm; the look on Varys' face.  Like no one had touched him with kindness and friendship in...ever.  A good moment. 

I liked the last line Varys  had. “I hope I deserve this, truly, I hope I’m wrong”

12 hours ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

Let us hope that this is that one. The other possibility is even worse: Jon.

I think it will be so when he kills her 

So much for the Valonqar killing Cersei...

Well, now the image of Dany in the “snowy” throne room makes sense. Queen of Ashes indeed.

8 hours ago, Ygrain said:

Or perhaps it is the shade of the evening?

Oh it definitely is. But does everyone have similar visions? Or are the dwarves a guaranteed part? I know this is a stretch, I’m reallj just curious:)

48 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

Some similarities, but not the same. 

True, really only that there were nefarious dwarves in both. I just find it interesting that both happened within reach of pyatt Pree. 

On 4/11/2015 at 6:48 PM, Jon Weirgaryen said:

 

 

 

*mumblemumble* Loras *mumblemumble*

 

Is there any news of his health since being injured at storms end?

On 5/5/2019 at 9:44 PM, Ricarprs said:

Robert Baratheon himself won it by war. The Targaryens won it by war.

All these discussions about who’s got a better claim are adjudicated in the book as in real life by wars or assasinations.

As to wether which one has a better claim, Jon or Dany- same rules apply. Except that Jon is willing to bend the knee, Dany not so much. I really don’t get the “she deserves it, she’s a strong woman” argument. She chooses power over love, Jon chooses love over power. She chooses hiding the truth, he chooses disclosing the truth. She knows the people are more drawn to him, but no matter because, you know, she REALLY wants the throne. So Jon, if you really love me, give up the throne, bend the knee and lie for me.

And so I move on to the “mad queen argument”. I have been rewatching the series from the beginning and you can see her tendency to destroy those who cross her from season 2. She burns the magi, she locks one of her maidens with Hotharis in a vault, but we root for her because she is the underdog, and those people had it coming. But then she starts burning her enemies, always “bad guys” until the Tarlys. These were honorable men. But they would not bend the knee. She REALLY hates it when people don’t bend the knee from way back.

As the crowning moment of irony in this episode, she is quite willing to liberate King’s Landing folk by carbonizing them. Those of you who know history will remember the Vietnam era’s famous joke- we had to burn the village to save it. 

She is not “going mad”, she has since season 2 been willing to torch those who will not bend the knee

And lets not forget that her own father planted the wildfire all around KL, so wouldn't it be something if she ended up burning them all anyways? Won't bend the knee? Burn them all and I'll bring in all of the ex slaves from Slavers Bay oops Dragons Bay and make a new Kings Landing. Then she will ride off into the sunset.

On 5/5/2019 at 9:35 PM, Pandean said:

the fact that this exist and is called that makes my day

This. Yes.

On 5/5/2019 at 9:28 PM, azor_ahaiii said:

FUCKING TWILIGHT DID THE GIANT WOLVES LIKE A DECADE AGO DONT GIVE ME THAT SHIT

If Jon and Ghost ever reunite I hope Ghost just completely ignore him. That's why he's called Ghost. He ghost's him right the fuck out.

I know right?! The official word is that it was too difficult with the CGI? I mean, come on guys, just say that you eff'd that right up and I would be more understanding....

On 5/6/2019 at 12:24 AM, Figdoni said:

Totally. Instead of looking at him and thinking he is someone to emulate or be inspired by, she's instead asking him to be less like that, and shed his principles.... (to make her look better, really.)

She only made Gendry a Lord to win his permanent loyalty. It was a political move that Sansa caught & gave a helluva look at her over. He was on team Stark... She switched him to hers. It was cunning, I'll give her that... (Littlefinger would be impressed)

Some part of me had a moment thinking "Ooooh, what if her next move is to announce that she's legitimising Jon Snow to Lord Stark, in front of everyone?".. coz that would have been a hell of an awkward and crafty move with it still being mostly secret. 
It'd then be down to Bran, Sam or Jon to pipe up... and Jon might've said nothing. Bran's probably too busy staring into the fire to hear & not sure where Sam was at that point. Prob reading books with Gilly  .... 

It also makes me sad that in the beginning of the series, she yearned for family. I feel like if she was presented with a family member she would have cherished this person. Now she only see's competition. That's a bummer.

On 5/6/2019 at 12:07 PM, House Cambodia said:

Cercei was looking VERY uncomfortable, wondering if Tyrion was going to blurt out the identity of the father. I WISH HE HAD!!!

That's what I said. Cersei is lucky that Euron is the stupid one. Also, do you think Euron would actually care if the baby wasn't his as long as it was being passed off as his and was able to rule....

18 hours ago, darksellsword said:

I think the big twist at the end is it was all an advert for a cell phone carrier. I'd signup their coverage is impressive.

Except Gendry. I don't think the coverage is very good in the friend zone

4 hours ago, Imp Beyond the Wall said:

I still think that Cersei has significant amounts of Wildfire. 
The question is where. 
The Red Keep seems suicidal, but she is mad.
She may burn the citizens of KL rather than be taken.    
Daeny's victories in Essos involved infiltration and guile, they may go to that well again. 
There has been lots of set-up about Tyrion and Varys and the secrets of the keep.  
It may not come to a frontal attack.  Cersei's advantage seem too overwhelming for that. 
 

The wildfire is literally everywhere. The Mad King had it burrowed all around Kings Landing because he was so paranoid. It could be anywhere. She could set off a horrible domino reaction...I have to wonder if this will come up when Dany tries to take Kings Landing without killing everyone and accidentally ends up killing them all anyways.