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honestly , this quote and everything else we've seen of him suggests to me that High Sparrow can potentially be one of the darkest characters in the books . and knowing Martin used to be a catholic and probably familiar with the concept of religious leaders misusing people's fear and misery, he must have created High Sparrow to be more of a villain in the story . Yet, when I put High Sparrow among top 5 monstrous characters right beside the likes of Tywin and Euron , people mock me!

I don't know . it might be a matter of perspective more than anything but I think it's insensitive of him to often talk of Jon's father's killer, friend or not , specifically from the time he put his hammer in Jon's father's chest(what other tale would be said of Trident?). he talks about Howland too but clearly he tells stories about Robert and not about Howland or Arthur Dayne or even Lyanna Stark ( Bran's knowledge about her seemed limited to general history and Arya was surprised to know she was like her aunt)

I just realized if Rhaegar's Jon's dad, then this quote makes Ned a total asshole in Jon's eyes whenever he knows of his parentage... we know from Bran's POV that Ned is not much of talker , he doesn't tell old tales about victories against famous knights if he doesn't want to (Arthur Dayne) , he doesn't talk about old parties even they have cool stories, etc. he has no obligation to talk about Robert so often and especially not about how he was demon of the Trident when he killed Jon's dad , how he was the fiercest warrior (so he could kill Jon's dad) and how he was a giant among princes (as compared to Jon's dad for example)! ... I wonder what he wanted to tell Jon when he saw him and talked to him?! " so .. yeah .. you are my sister's son with the Targaryen prince.. you know the one I told you how Bobby was a total badass when he slew... they fought for your mom..and I lied about your identity because when Lannisters killed your siblings Robert called them dragonspawns so I feared he might kill you as well.. by the way courtesy Robert's half-Lannister children who technically have taken you and your sibling's place .... don't worry ,though, you are not a child of rape.. that basically does make your father an innocent but whatever, you are in NW so don't even think about revenge or IT or any of that nonsense!.. " OUCH!

I suspect she didn't tell for the sake of Naerys too.. plus if you sleep with the biggest jerk in the family who happens to be married to your cousin -out of desperation from 10 year confinement , 3 unsuccessful escapes , disappointment of a too healthy brother/prisonkeeper , loneliness and lack of any other guy - you won't shout out about your affair afterwards either... anyways , the point is that Viserys was the only one with the power or influence to oppose her ... as I assume, the country was at peace and more united than ever . the fact that in spite of her confinement , her bastard and her lack of penis, still some thought she would be queen is telling. the world book says she didn't have powerful supporters , something Viserys had . he was too old to be a pawn so all I can think of is that Viserys took the throne because he wanted it. he probably thought it was his turn.

he did try to free them (and I believe it) but afterwards there was basically nothing to stop Daena from ascending the throne and legitimizing her own son (hell.. if Freys and Lannisters were planning on presenting Robb as the beast who slew everyone at the red wedding , then Daena could definitely present herself as the Maiden Mary in history books). Targaryens were one single faction, the realm was united due to dornish war and during the 10 years of Baelor's rule there was limited enmity with Dorne...yet for some reason Viserys took the throne knowing that it not only destroys his poor mother's legacy but it also puts AegonIV next in line! the more I think about Baelor , the more I come to the conclusion that his interest in religious corelated with his shame of being a deep deep pervert! he probably wanted all his sisters but since it contradicted his religious beliefs and it scared him he took an oath of celibacy and then due to jealousy towards others who might have them, he kept his sisters in Maidenvault.... OR he was another sort of psycho! look, there definitely is a chance that all your theories turn out to be true .from what I've read, you have gathered a good piece by piece set of evidence for each small theory. however , every small part is supported by yet another theory when you look at the large picture, which makes the whole thing a bit of a stretch... definitely a good read... but you cannot expect us to take them as facts and say "oh you guys don't get it ..only I do.." ! you might be right but yet again you might not. and it's not like a scientific fact that we can prove and set aside.. it's incomplete fiction in the head of one guy and all these are basically imagination of each of us! some theories are more supported than the rest but the bottom line is that these are all just guess games!

we shall see! ps. check out Artworks thread. I put something you'd like...well.. you , Corvo and Loras Tyrell:) In my head canon , Daemon B was actually a good guy forced in an impossible situation . so yeah , I think he probably had more relationship with Aemon -hero of all- than his absent selfish father. yeah.. the guy was sensitive tnx you're probably right agreed... almost. it would have been great if he either supported his poor niece's crown or disinherited his son in favor of his grandson... finally , someone with good shipping sense they'll even be parallel to Ashara the desirable maid and Shy Ned!

well.... Sansa will marry a Ned if that means anything! I thought Cregan might be popular , he sure seemed like a badass... I've got the feeling that Elaena was a bit of a kissass... I mean ... why wouldn't she support her own nephew?! as doomed as his cause might have been! there were two Targaryen naming that were particularly interesting to me: 1) Aegon III 's children: first of all his first son is named Daeron . closest paternal relative with the same name was Daeron the daring whom we can be pretty sure was not an inspiration to Aegon! but his father-in-law's name is also Daeron ... it seems to me there is at least one Targaryen king who seemed to care about his wife's opinion when it came to naming their firstborn. also, Baelor might be out of respect to Baela ( the same way she was named after Baelon) and Rhaena is obviously named after Aegon's other sister, Rhaena. 2) Daemon Blackfyre's twins were Aegon and Aemon . Aegon is a pretty standard Targ name but Aemon here is interesting since we are explicitly told that Daemon's dad did little to honor Aemon's memory but it seems Daemon did. Daemon's third son is also named after his father.

that was really interesting ... George might only be a romantic but I think it makes kinda sense. if you can't manage your lust you probably can't manage a country! regarding Jon Snow , I think whether he breaks his vows again won't exclude him from the pattern you found. he'd only be like Jaimie whose monogamy seemed to be intended as one of the earlier signs depicting him in a more positive light.

good (and sad) point... meanwhile , the characters who are called old seem to come back from dead! we've already talked about Loras calling Cat old and she comes back as LSH. and here's a quote for Beric: it's worth mentioning that (believe it or not!) , young curse had applied to young Lord Beric , too!

I mean you could at least say Rhaegar was inexperienced or something and what about Lewin Martell? he should've been able to see that... forget about the rebellion battles... George clearly just wanted an epic battle in a river and it seems he gave Bobby and co. a THICK plot armor in every single battle while he kinda forgot to give Rhaegar something other than looks to make it believable so many people had faith in him ...

I agree that it might be a red herring as in there won't be three dragons but three heros perhaps. but don't you think it's really weird that Rhaegar based his three heads necessity on their relatively new symbol? when Aegon and his sisters put up the three headed dragon as their sigil everybody thought it's because there's three of them.. but maybe three was actually a unique number for the Targaryens.. perhaps something related to the prophecy that Rhaegar had found? I mean.. he can't be that stupid

why did Torros resurrect Beric? it's not like they knew each other before tourney of the hand and it wasn't the first time Torros witnessed a good man die... so what was special? the same question for Beric and Cat... why did he save her? there were thousands of innocents and many of his friends who died but he didn't resurrect them.. why Cat?

Davos?! do tell..

technically yes but that doesn't seem like Stannis's style

Casterly Rock and Lannisport. in dance he says he knows Lannisport better than Kingslanding.

I was(am) confused about these birds in Dance it gives the impression that they recite the letters: but I went back to aGoT where it gave me the impression of mute kids: did I misunderstand the sentence?

I've got a few questions regarding Varys's little birds: what happens to them when they grow up? are they Essosi or Westerosi? are they slaves or are they hired?! are their tongues actually cut out?:/ I mean are they like Unsulied and are just mutes instead of euniques? or are they mute from birth?

the TV show also confirmed that Sansa is Jeyne Pool , Jon Snow is Aegon Targaryen and Beric Dondarion sells Gendry to a woman who most certainly wants to kill him. so, I'm not so sure anymore my friend.

see..that's the problem. Targs had childbirth crisis on their own . if Elia's health issues were that visible that no one wanted her as a wife , why would the Targaryens ignore that?

does anyone know why Elia didn't marry until Rhaegar entered the picture? she and Oberyn were on their spouse search tour in 273 when she was 16 but she wasn't betrothed to Rhaegar until 279... 6 years is a long period in Westeros... we can assume that Oberyn didn't want to marry (and being a man meant he didn't have the youth clock on him) but why didn't Elia? I mean.. it's hard to believe the only dornish princess available who was good enough for a crown prince had shortage of suiters! not to mention , GRRM found it important to address why Arianne Martell and Laena Velarion were still single at the ages of 24 and 22 but not 22 year-old Elia?

basically yes. especially when he hid in a brothel sleeping with whores in Stoney Sept while mourning for a lost Lyanna who was being raped time and time again, all while JonCon was hanging and threatening people who had helped our poor Boby!

@AlaskanSandman , the idea of Tywin orchestrating the rebellion is one of my favorite theories. although I have problems with figuring out how Ned doesn't seem to know a thing. and how had Kevan seen Lyanna to comment on her looks? .. did Rhaegar rescue her and took her somewhere else? did she get pregnant then or was she already pregnant.. perhaps at Harrenhal explaining why "bastards grow faster"? .... it makes it like a detective novel where the one who had stayed behind and seems the most innocent is behind the murder. and it's not a far cry from the mystery of Jon Arryn's murder where supposedly Lannisters and Pycell are to be blamed while Lysa and Petyr are the murderers Yandel is an unreliable narrator but Jaimie is a whole other deal ... Jaimie was in a vulnerable state when he told Brienne all those things , so I can't see why we can't trust him. and Cat's version isn't necessarily a wrong version. if you think about it (and I warn you, you better don't) , it makes sense that Brandon dies before his father: Rickard was burning and screaming and Brandon was reaching for his sword and strangling in the process...further he tries , more tight the rope gets. if his father's screams stop (meaning he has burned to death), he would lose hope and fall with grief instead of reaching forward for the sword. this stops the strangling business. meanwhile Rickard watches his son dying as he tries . it's a two way torture for both of them . and finally since burning takes longer to kill someone , Brandon dies first. it's only logical that Aerys orders cutting Rickard , giving him a "gracious kingly mercy" . so you see? Cat's version works. Rickard did see Brandon strangling himself to death before he was killed.

well, Jon is already riding the ice dragon if we consider the Wall to be that dragon; isn't he?! there is already some sort of symmetry between Jon in the Wall (ice element) and Dany with her dragons (fire elements) .. does it make any sense? :/ the problem with RLJ theory (other than some irrational out of character actions) is that it puts Jon in the middle of the story .. it represents him as a sort of balance between fire end and ice end... something he currently is not.

Ramsay to (f)Arya Alyn of Hull (started a bastard) to Baela Targaryen the second son Corbray to Rhaena Targaryen Betha Blackwood to unlikely future King Alys Rivers to Aemond you cannot be serious that one was an up jump for the both of them:)

my bad then. I read your theory and I think you mentioned Mance jousting instead of Rhaegar at Harrenhal and crowning Lyanna , whilst being glamoured to look like Rhaegar. but that doesn't make sense to me due to the reasons I mentioned before. though , if you'd be willing to go with the theory of Lyanna being the knight of the laughing tree ,then Rhaegar crowing her could simply be a gesture of respect rather than love or affection. this narrative could even work with your theory about Mance and Lyanna with Lyanna's sigil being a nod to her beloved's birthplace.