HyacinthGirl

This made my day. "I don't do drugs at all! I've never done meth!" Oh, Kenneth.

I gave it a 10 because I enjoyed it! I just can't understand all of the extreme negativity I see on here because I think the show is incredible. I know that I'm a lot more lenient than some book readers when it comes to departures from the original material, but that's only because I'm so impressed with the cast, sets, costumes, etc, and yes, most of the writing. And I'm a pretty laid back person. It was never going to be a word for word adaptation. And no TV show is as powerful as the human imagination. But there is so much outrage on these boards. It's not like the show writers are rewriting your copy of ACOK - the original version of the HotU still exists, go read it if you prefer it! (And I do. But I wouldn't go so far as to call the show version "insulting", as some people do.) As for the Sam/Other thing, the Other might take a swing at Sam when we next return to the Fist. Blimey, who cares if that scene looked like the Walking Dead, it was awesome and so scary. And have people who complained about the zombies not realised that the wights are...well... zombies? Actually, we agree about Ros. It's an old complaint, but if they're going to trim bits of the story that are important (due to time constraints) they have to replace it with something more substantial than Ros' boobs. For the sake of practicality, can you imagine how difficult it would be to have (basically) the main character on the show missing a nose? And Rorge's missing nose was creepy as fuck in the books, but not... not really necessary in the show, when you think about prosthetics and stuff. As for Ser Dontos, maybe they were using him to show Sansa's nature off a bit, I'm not sure. It was pretty obvious to me that the Bastard's Boys burnt Winterfell, but yes, I'd have no idea of that if I hadn't read the books. I'm sure they'll explore it later on. It was pretty obvious to the audience, book readers and non readers alike, that Theon couldn't have ordered the destruction of Winterfell because he was unconcious. Oh, and as for Qhorin whispering to Jon about infiltrating the wildlings, sadly he didn't do it in this episode but in episode 8 I think, he said something about one man inside the army being worth 100 fighting against it. I know that "spot the difference" is a pretty loose term. I haven't been reading the books for as long as some of you have - doesn't mean I love them any less, but I can understand how something you've devoted a lot of time to over many years being brought to TV only to disappoint would be unenjoyable. But it doesn't disappoint me, and so I'm able to defend it like this. Some of the complaints on these boards (Syrio has HAIR?) just seem so petty to me, some, obviously more substantial (Jon & Qhorin - I'm not really sure why they changed that because it was one of my favourite things in ACOK) (or HotU - which could never have been as good as it was in the books). But everyone sees things differently, I don't want to argue with you or anyone, and I'm sorry you haven't enjoyed this episode because I really liked it.

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I find it unacceptable, and frankly insulting, that Tywin's horse did not shit at the foot of the Iron Throne, instead taking his dump before entering the hall. Why change this defining moment? The infernal writers have now ruined the character arc of everyone in the Throne room. There are so many layers and, dare I say, foreshadowing, as well as HINDshadowing to this striking moment in the books, and yet, the diabolical D & D ruined the entire series with the premature poop. Why, I ask you? I still retained hope for this travesty of an adaptation but this, fellow book purists, THIS felt like molten gold being poured over my head! I fell to the floor, wailing, cursing the old gods and the new! Where was Joffrey, "gingerly" stepping around the dung? I feel betrayed and sickened. Wow. Felt blasphemous writing that. That was an awesome episode and I gave it a 10. Stop playing spot the difference. It's fantastic television.

Ohmygod the National doing the Reynes of Castamere for the end credits was just... I think this is the first time I've enjoyed the end credits of a tv show episode as much as the actual episode, if that makes sense. Very, very happy fan here. And the epsiode itself blew me away. I don't even have words. asdhlsgfajijgaer;pfo'kads;f. Nope, no words.

Latrine trench, it was part of the dialogue.

:agree: Pretty much identical to my thoughts. I wish people would stop playing spot the difference and enjoy the show, because it's fantastic television. The phrase 'bad writing' or 'lazy writing' is thrown about so much on these threads but 99% unjustified to say that, because some people can't handle minor changes and go apeshit at the 'evil writers' for 'butchering' the show just because they're translating it into another medium. :rolleyes:

10/10. Best of the season so far. I just... wow. Blown away. It was perfect. "One game at a time, my friend."

Erm, wow. I think every scene in that episode was perfect. I especially loved Tyrion's "one game at a time, my friend" line. Here are my somewhat non coherent ramblings. -I was a little apprehensive about the Jon/Ygritte digression last week, because one of Jon's best chapters in the series is the hopeless flight away from the wildling army, trying to get back to the fist. But as long as we get the whole "you must not balk" Jon/Halfhand thing, I'm fine with the change. Bloody love Rose Leslie as Ygritte, and Rattleshirt's armour is awesome. ETA- Also, Sam getting all nerdy over Dragonglass was awesome. It was nice to get a reminder about Dolorous Edd, Grenn & Sam being on the fist. I still have my fingers crossed that this season will end with the three hornblows... -Alfie Allen is killing it as Theon! I loved the Yara/Theon exchange at the beginning of the episode. For me, Yara is coming across pretty much exactly how Asha did in the books, but then, I don't have some intense obsessive fanboy crush on Asha. I still firmly think that Roose's bastard is already in Winterfell, it's Dagmer! But yeah, at this stage that's just a guess, it's a theory with holes in, blah blah blah. But I'd be surprised if Dagmer wasn't at least one of the Bastard's boys. Also, glad that the Brickon party are actually in the crypts. -I loved the Harrenhal scenes. I don't really mind that we didn't see Jaqen's face change, because I still can't see how that wouldn't look cheesy on tv (i'm sure they'll do it well when they get round to it, but it's not really relevant at this stage). Also, if he IS the alchemist, and shows up in season 4, it'll be much better if it's Tom Wlaschiha who shows up because a) he's gorgeous and b)the audience probably won't make the connection that we saw that randomer in season 2. Also, so psyched for the Brotherhood. Will Arya get captured in SO2E10? I think so... -Jaime and Brienne. JAIME AND BRIENNE. ajkajshidkjsdfndks. Just hit the nail on the head. NCW is just made for that role, and Christie just is Brienne. That is all. -I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really like what they've done with Talissa/Jeyne! Making her a Volantene or whatnot might be a step too far BUT AT LEAST SHE'S INTERESTING! In the books, it worked fine when Robb reappeared with some pretty but meek wife, because it was a real WTF moment. I completely understand that Martin would never have written Robb's wife as a spunky war nurse, but as we're watching their relationship with the show, thank fuck they developed her a bit more. -Stannis and Davos scene was great. Stannis was hilarious. Davos was just the exact same Davos we see in the books which is fucking awesome. Win. -HA, knew Ros would = Alayaya. Knew it. And Dinklage was once again on fire this episode, Tyrion's scene with Bronn was awesome, he and Colneth Hill were amazing together as usual, and it's nice to see Tyrion's emotional side for once. He plays the game so very well that we can forget how human he really is. -Dany was a little short changed this week but we'll get the HoU soon and that will end her arc with another bang this season. Also, Emilia Clark and Iain Glen work really well together. So yeah. Loved it.

He's older? I didn't even notice... I think they could get away with it.

Why can't 'Dagmer' be Ramsay? There has been no confirmation that he is actually ironborn - he never interacts with any of Theon's other men, he's adopted the role of the devil on Theon's shoulder, and it's very plausible that Roose (who knew Theon was being sent back to Pyke and wanted to know what went down) sent someone to follow Theon closely. Obviously the Dagmer described in the books could never be Ramsay but Dagmer in the show could easily be Ramsay. It's not stupid, hon.

Oh, you're not alone. :cheers: Maybe we're easy to please or whatever but so what. I have yet to see a Game of Thrones episode that wasn't 10/10 for me. Yeah, come at me, haters. :fencing:

Whoa, 30 pages? I'm a little late... Such a fantastic episode. Start to finish, it was just so solid and I don’t think there was anything I disliked. Firstly, yay, no naked Ros! No overly long brothel scenes! I thought we were going to get more Jon in this episode but I suppose his arc will get more screentime as we near the end of the season. I loved the cliffhanger last week and it was wrapped up very nicely, with a touch of shame in the Old Bear’s eyes as he admitted he knew about Craster’s attrocities. Loved the Sam/Gilly sweetness. Bran’s scene explored some of the elements I feared would be left out of the show. I’m so glad they’re keeping the dark, mystical tone of Bran’s story. Also, Maester Luwin is perfect. And the transitions from boy to wolf, and the dreams themselves, are good, and not at all cheesy, which I was worried about. And Hodor said “Hodor!” Loved it. Brienne! I never doubted Christie but she definitely exceeded my expectations. Anyone else catch the “I’m no Lady”? Remind you of someone? The Renly/Loras scene was actually pretty good, because it showed the audience that rather than just being fuck buddies, they have a relationship. The scene fleshed Renly out quite a lot, no sexposition necessary. Though HBO did make sure they reached their boob quota for the episode - I know a few people are concerned that they have made Margaery too saucy or something, and the suggested threesome was a bit much, but to be honest, they established a female character who was very politically clued up and sharp as a knife, which she is. Personally, I don’t really care they’ve made Shae a bit abbrasive: she did have an impudent side to her in the books as I recall, though it was much subtler. But making her more memorable is better than toning her down and just having some bland whore with NO personality hanging around with Tyrion. Besides, she's not as bad as Ros. Tyrion’s 1-2-3 was so unbelievably well done that my jaw dropped. My god. Dinklage is just…words cannot describe. He IS Game of Thrones. His portrayal of Tyrion is one of the best television performances...ever. As in, going down in history. "I don't like his beard." And I am so impressed with Sophie Turner. Whilst waiting for S2 I was wondering how they were going to show Sansa’s misery and still keep her ‘pretty bird’ words, which the tearing up in front of the mirror was perfect for. Her dialogue with Shae was a just a little off - but her acting has definitely gone up a notch this season. Cersei was so fantastic at the dinner. "Sansa will do her duty, won't you, little dove?" That was just so venomous. And Tommen and Myrcella are so cute. The Greyjoys. I think ‘Yara’ comes across pretty accurately, and Balon! Wow. He’s friggin’ awesome. I liked Theon's letter burning a lot – it was a very nice touch. I found Theon's betrayal was very jarring in the book, so I'm glad we got to see him wrestle with his decision a little. I loved Arya's dialogue with Yoren, that was such a great little thing the throw into the mix. To say Maisie Williams is doing Arya justice is the understatement of the century. She is just so perfect. Yoren got a nice Boromir style death – “I always hated crossbows”, and I thought the 'fight' was pretty well done. Very brief shot of Jaqen but I just know Tom Wlaschiha is going to bring it in the next few episodes.

Loved it. As per usual. Posted all my thoughts in the discussion thread but I need to emphasise how much that extra Jon/Craster scene rocked. It was a great addition, possibly my favourite added scene so far. Also, everything Arya was amazing, and Tyrion just keeps getting better and better. "I'm not questioning your honour, just denying its existence." Lad. Please stop complaining about Stannis & Mel having sex. You all knew they did it, and the shadow baby sequence will make a bit more sense now. Very sad Rakharro's dead, he was pretty. But it does remind the audience that Dany isn't just skipping through the sunny desert, she's in a lot of danger with enemies all around her.

I really, really liked the episode! But then I'm not one of the readers who delight in playing spot the difference between the books & show. "*Screech*, they changed the hair colour of a minor character! How DARE they butcher my favourite books!" Please. It's getting boring. -I liked Asha/Yara. I think the actress was spot on. I'm not a Greyjoy fan, but the sets and actors were amazing, so it was very well done. -Arya and Gendry had some great interactions, and I really don't mind that her revelation has been moved forward. Their friendship will be more interesting to watch this way. LOMMY WANTS TO YIELD! Hot Pie is brilliant. And Jaqen was perfect. -Huh, no Robb/Cat? I suppose the timing didn't work -OhmyR'hllor, Peter Dinklage just gets better and better. "I'm not questioning your honour, I'm denying its existence." So. Great. -Liam Cunningham is definitely doing Davos justice. I like him a lot, and it was good to see Salador Saan (why are people complaining that he's black? You're as bad as the Hunger Games fans who had a hissy fit over Rue being black. Sheesh.). I think there are some Stan Fans who think his sex scene was all wrong, and I don't quite see where they're coming from, but hey, I'm not a die hard Stannis loyalist. I think that scene went pretty much as it would have if it were in the books. You might not want your noble, just, honourable king cheating on his wife with a creepy/sexy priestess, but he did, so... -Forgot about Dany. So Rakharro did die. Damn. He was pretty. Poor Irri. Why did the actor have to leave the show? WHY WOULD HE WANT TO LEAVE THE SHOW?! But I think his death was a good move: instead of all of Dany's bloodriders returning to her, we get reminded that she is in a very bad position in a very dangerous place. -The Jon scenes were the highlight of the episode. Some NW banter about milkmaids, we finally see Ghost in the fist time in ages, and I love Sam! But the last scene was amazing. I don't care that it wasn't in the books, I wish it had been, it was a great scene! Typical Jon running into the woods like a hero, creepy Craster, and now we know for sure what he does with the boys. It was a superb addition because the audience sees the Others, who we haven't seen in a while, are still very much around and scary. Jon's gonna be in trouble....

I know, right? Stop playing Spot The Difference, everyone.

For me, the Damphair is (for some reason) Sam Neill...sorry...I know he's the youngest but he feels grumpy and old. I also intend to watch Rome...

Hmm...I can see it, but in my head HIC just IS Mance :) and I'd love for him to be an ex "brother" of the nights watch, so he can say "brother" some more, i.e. the Halfhand was my enemy, but he was once my "brother". Geddit? :D No way! He was my Davos too...bloody love Robert Carlyle. Craig Parker...the most popular member of the LOTR cast! Nah, I like him, never really got why they hate him so much over on TOR.net. He also works for Mance, especially in this http://jmsstyxnyes.t...g/craigrahl.jpg

David Wenham for Beric Edmure http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2900000/David-Wenham-david-wenham-2989371-408-600.jpg David Oakes for Beric http://members.madasafish.com/~shakespeare/pics/david-oakes-%20william-hamleigh.jpg

D&D, I don't know if you still check this thread, but if you do: It will be a crime, a crime, if Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond from Lost) is not cast as Mance Rayder!