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    Urban Fantasy/Paranormal Romance v. 3.0

    Following up with the last version of this thread... About urban fantasy (as an actual genre). To me urban fantasy doesn't have to be modern. It should have the urban element, but also, as beniowa and others have stated, include some mystery-solving, a bit of noir, etc. So for me, Pratchett's Ankh-Morpork books are very urban fantasy, just without the modern, contemporary world sense. So too would be Michelle Sagara's Chronicles of Elantra, which are very fantasy-esque but also involve the whole cops/detectives solving mysteries thing. For me, something I see in really effective urban fantasies is an emphasis on the layers of history within a city, the palimpsest of old streets, abandoned subway stations, collapsing sewers, and multiple pasts (and presents) represented. You get that in Neverwhere, in the Rivers of London, in Matthew Swift, in The City & the City, etc. But there is also a sense of loneliness, dissatisfaction, sometimes bitterness, ennui, and generally a great heap of existential crisis going on, all tied not necessarily to modern life, but instead to a life crammed in amongst innumerable other humans who care absolutely nothing about you! As for the social and cultural conflict between weres, vampires, witches, djinn, and so on: that to me is the 'paranormal' aspect, what we could also term 'contemporary fantasy' in those books that are set in modern times. It's basically the dwarf-elven-orc conflict of more traditional fantasy in a non-modern context. It seems to me that maybe a lot of the books that are labeled 'urban fantasy' or actually just 'modern fantasy' with violent crime.
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    Young Adult Books: Discuss!

    For the life of me, I can't find an actual Young Adult discussion thread, other than the 'series recommendation' one. I guess that means we need a thread for discussing all things Young Adult, although I hope we will focus on speculative fiction. I'll start. Over in the Best Reads of 2016 thread, I posted this: These are the best Young Adult books I read this year: Corinne Duyvis, On the Edge of Gone Franny Billinsley, Chime Hugh Howey, Sand Omnibus Melissa Landers, Starflight Kathy MacMillan, The Sword and the Verse Marie Rutkowski, Winner's Kiss Alison Goodman, The Dark Days Club Maggie Stiefvater, The Raven King Libba Bray, Lair of Dreams Robin Mckinley, Chalice Have you guys read any good YA lately, and why's it good?
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    Oh, and George Martin's Wild Cards is eligible for Best Series due to Low Chicago, etc.
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    Kelly York & Rowan Altwood's A Light Amongst Shadow's was very spooky. More eligible titles have been collected here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pWyD-eQP_O6grT6aEUFJxm_qLcn7MCnTKQdFA4ajCu0/edit#gid=1905433534
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    I'd really like to get a robust discussion of the great young adult novels that came out in 2018, in advance of the young adult award nominations. (Yes, I know it's technically not a Hugo, but that's bureaucracy.) Apparently, according to Helen Gbala at the ALA, they already have over 300 titles suggested for the Hal Clement award, which is only science fiction! So, what are the interesting speculative fiction young adult books that you've read this year? ETA: Also welcome here are recommendations for YA-related fan artists, book covers, and professional artists that we think would make great Hugo nominees.
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    For those who still have some spots on their nomination ballot, here's an open spreadsheet where people put their recs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pWyD-eQP_O6grT6aEUFJxm_qLcn7MCnTKQdFA4ajCu0/edit#gid=0
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    Guess who's coming to (thanksgiving) dinner? NYC edition

    Oh man, I would love to see you guys. Sadly I will not be in PA over Thanksgiving.
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    I just finished Spinning Silver. I thought it was much better than Uprooted. I really enjoyed it (though I wouldn't call it groundbreaking). I wouldn't really characterize it as YA and think it is better nominated for the Hugo, not to mention the publisher lists it as adult lit (arbitrary, I know). I do agree that both it and Binti do blur the line, though, Binti especially, since it was much more a 'coming of age' story than Silver. Edit: I also suggest KD Edwards' The Last Sun (Novel and for the Campbell), for a solid urban fantasy.
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    Ehn. I thought it was very entertaining but not Hugo worthy. It's a standard urban fantasy (inspired by one particular cultural tradition that has been generally overlooked), and it had some serious plot and characterization problems. It's got a five star average on Amazon which I just really don't think is warranted given its 'first novel' weaknesses.
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    Katrina at 13: A Backwards Timeline

    I was in the Panhandle of Florida, just about to move out of state to start a PhD program. Classes hadn't started yet, so I spent the week at my friend's house watching the news projected on a wall in huge format, and freaking out. I've got family there, who left their cat behind because everyone said it would only take a couple of days to get back. The cat was rescued and shipped out of town by the ASPCA. Fast forward two weeks and it turns out the cat had been shipped to my new state. Got the cat, housed it for a while, then put it on a plane to my family members, where it is still loved and happy today. But from my family I've heard lots of terrible things about the what corporate interests and unrestrained capitalism have done to the city. Makes you think that part of disaster planning should include an urban planning for rebuilding and restoring.
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    I recommend for nomination Adam Whitehead (Werthead) and the Wertzone for Best Fan Writer.
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    Here is the list of works that (as of now) will be considered for the Hal Clement YA award for science fiction: https://sfnotables.org/about-the-lists/2018-list/
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    Goodreads will also have the best of 2018 SF at the end of the year. Their normal YA list at the moment is gigantic, though. Here's some other lists: B & N Teen Sci-fi: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/teen/13-anticipated-science-fiction-novels-2018/ B & N Teen Fantasy: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/teen/anticipated-ya-fantasy-novels-2018/ Another longer B & N Teen Fantasy list: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/teen/50-of-our-most-anticipated-ya-fantasy-novels-of-2018-july-to-december/ A blogger's anticipated YA sci-fi list: https://vickywhoreads.wordpress.com/2018/01/08/most-anticipated-ya-sci-fi-novels-of-2018/
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    The Lodestar Award

    Okay, I've read back through this thread and now that the vote is over, I feel okay about posting. Just one quick request, for those who helped with the award and also post on the Board, please avoid specifically referring to their roles in order to avoid publicly compromising their Board handles About the naming of the award. 1) It should have been named the Hugo Award for Best Young Adult Novel. There are many reasons that such did not happen. In my mind, the most significant reasons were: (a) many people at the Business Meeting honestly did not think people at Worldcon cared about YA, (b) the submission of the YA Hugo proposal at San Antonio was a hack job and (rightly, I think now) pissed off so many people that it created enormous bad blood and hostility to any award, and (c) there were some bureaucratic rules-y things that some people could not let go (to make it a Hugo). The committee in their first active year was easily able to surmount (a) with some research and education at the Business Meeting. Overcoming (b) would have been impossible without bowing to (c). I think (c) on its own could have been solved eventually, but because of (b), there was a mountainous road block from the beginning. 2) About naming the thing after a person. @Ran, we've talked about some of this before, but I'll say my piece here. The committee put out an open survey to collect award names with no qualifications, just to see what they'd get. They didn't say, "here's some of the issues that we have noticed in our discussions that you may want to think about." So, people got psyched and suggested all kinds of stuff without thinking about the larger issues (or even doing basic Google searches), but many who'd suggested person names on the survey were later convinced by the committee's report that a person name wasn't a good idea. The only way to have percentage numbers to prove that would be do ANOTHER survey of people who had read the full report, and that wasn't possible. I personally witnessed these conversations, for example: "Yeah, I said on the survey I wanted it to be named Heinlein! Oh, you mean people under 50 don't think he's the best possibility? Oooh, yeah, I guess a lot of women really don't think he's the best option for good reason. Shoot, wish I could rescind my suggestion." "I suggested Octavia Butler on the survey! Oh crap, you're right, she does have a book where an 11-year old has sex repeatedly with a 24-year old and many other adults. Yikes, not a good name for a teen book award. Good thing you caught that." I think the committee decided not to include all that stuff in their reports because they didn't want it to turn into a big free-for-all about why each author sucked as an option for reason X, Y, and Z; that would publicly draw an already-not-secure award into an ugly public discussion and would go a long way to NOT honoring the authors. So the reports phrased the objections very vaguely without naming names ("inappropriate teen-adult sexual relationships"). Having another survey of just authors, as Ran suggested, would still require those specific objections to be aired in order to achieve a balanced response ("Author A, whose books are beloved for x,y, and z reasons, and who fat-shames teen girls continuously"). As for the L'Engle discussion at the Business Meeting, it was pretty brief and maybe more discussion would have been better, but I'm not sure it would have changed much. I saw someone say to a committee person in the hall afterwards: "When the debate started I definitely wanted it to be L'Engle, no question, but once I heard the speaker explain that stuff about L'Engle's relationship to homosexuality, I changed my mind. Thank goodness they brought that up because we dodged a bullet there." And just a reminder, the recent decision to change the World Fantasy Award's trophy from a a bust of white supremacist HP Lovecraft caused a firestorm of painful arguments and accusations. Just a few months ago, Laura Ingalls Wilder's name was removed from a major children's book award (for its racist and prejudiced representation of minorities and indigenous exploitation); it was reported on by the New York Times, NPR, and others. So, (I personally think that for the good of the award) it's better to avoid that stuff from the get-go.
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    The Lodestar Award

    Oh man, I am loving the idea of a Retro YA thing for Twitter. It would be fun as a general game, but I imagine it would be rather difficult to get a representative short list. And if you threw it out there to get nominations you'd probably just end up with a lot of Heinlein juveniles and nothing else.
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    Lost Brotherhood Without Banners Edition

    It’s ConZealand, the 2020 Worldcon. The Brotherhood without Banners decide to fly down to New Zealand on the same plane. Unfortunately, the plane crashes on a deserted island which rescuers can’t find. What happens, who does what, and how do we survive?
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    Lost Brotherhood Without Banners Edition

    @Stego will definitely be waking our asses up with the sun to run up and down the beaches, in order that we will be fit enough to survive running from smoke monsters. This seems anathema to BwB congregations. Although running on the beaches would burn a lot of calories, so I do hope Stego knows about edible paleo island foods or something.
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    I've also thought that was a great cover. I think this is a good point. We could also keep track of YA related fan art, professional art, and covers that we think should be nominated. I will update the OP.
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    Urban Fantasy/Paranormal Romance v. 3.0

    Recently finished THE LAST SUN by K.D. Edwards. It's set in the present day, but a little while after a civil war between the families of previously hidden Atlantis wrecked the world. The Atlanteans now live in a new city on the US east coast because Atlantis is no longer inhabitable. They are organized into the Houses of the Tarot, with the family's head the Arcana. The Arcana are basically the closest thing to gods on the planet, with vast powers. The main character is the Scion of Sun House (the heir), but his entire House was destroyed when he was a teen and his family wiped out. He's barely started coming into his sun powers and has limited magic, so he and his best friend/body guard Brand support themselves by solving mysteries/problems as mercenaries (not military style, just find-lost-things or steal-shit-mercenaries). Meanwhile, all the Houses compete with each other as they get up to trouble in New Atlantis. I thought the world-building was very richly done, with an interesting social and cultural reality, magic system, and cast of characters. There's good queer representation. For a debut novel I think it was quite well done, although I am still not convinced on who the main love interest is supposed to be, which irks me, because I am firmly on one particular Team. Definitely recommend. (Content warning for sexual violence, though.)
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    Dude. I don't care about what others will probably nominate or what you would have nominated last year. Tell us some actual books that you have read from 2018 that you think we should nominate. This is your chance to actually impact the nomination process.
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    2018 : )
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    The 'previous calendar year.' And you need your membership by December 31.
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    Hugo Nominations and Awards - Reading Packets are Available

    Well, why don't you stop complaining and suggest some damn nominations, then? This is a thread for 2019 Hugo nominations! Show us your excellent taste and we can all move on with discussing actual books to nominate.
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    I offer for consideration Dread Nation by Justina Ireland. It's set just after the US Civil War, and considers racial injustice in a post-apocalyptic world where slavery was only made illegal because the shambler apocalypse happened in the middle of the Civil War and the South needed to be saved by the North. The shamblers (zombies, restless dead) have been infected by a virus that evolves during the book. Black and native people are forcibly taken to combat schools (modeled on 'reeducation schools') so that they can do the hard and dangerous work of killing shamblers. The book starts with the main character Jane at a combat school. What I really liked about the book was Jane's voice and personality, which came across so clearly. The world building was pretty cool, and it was interesting to see a YA book that addressed racial injustice through the lens of zombies (I generally find zombies boring, but not in this case), and considered how the zombie apocalypse would play out in the historical and cultural worlds of the US in the aftermath of the Civil War.
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    YA Hugo Nominations, 2019 Dublin

    I haven't read Spinning Silver, but I didn't really think Uprooted was YA. One thing that can help you identify how publishers categorize the book is the genre code(s), according to @PlusOne. If you go to Amazon on your desktop computer (not phone), and look under Product Description, there will be a set of several genre codes. Most YA books will have their second category listed as Teen. So, Akata Warrior, which just won the award, is listed as: Books > Teens > Literature & Fiction > Magical Realism The Invasion, by @Peadar, is listed as: Books > Teens > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Horror > Ghosts Spinning Silver is: Books > Literature & Fiction > Mythology & Folk Tales (also things like 'Women's Adventure' and 'Romance'). PlusOne says that the book is also listed elsewhere as 'epic fantasy.' These are somewhat arbitrary marketing categories, but they do suggest the publisher does not consider Spinning Silver to be Young Adult. Do with that as you will. (Apparently these codes are called BISACs. Thank you @PlusOne for the quick lesson).
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