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  1. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Not really. Bears all the hallmarks of a fake. Still, it could be true. These “spoilers” are kind of...stating the obvious? How could Sansa not end up in a position of power at the end of the show, assuming she survives? How could Sansa and Tyrion not have good scenes together, given their history? And almost everyone thinks Dany’s doomed, so... Sansa isn’t involved in any of the KL exterior scenes other than the one at the Dragonpit, though, even though Tyrion, Arya, Davos and Sam are and their actors filmed in Seville. Not to mention that Sam, Tyrion and Davos are hardly fighters, either, and that Sansa wasn’t involved in any other KL exterior scenes, even the ones that weren’t battle scenes. Judging from Sophie’s interview and going off dates when she was spotted in Belfast, she wrapped in Northern Ireland in mid-April. I never expected an epilogue with everyone paired off with kids, except for maybe Baby Sam and Jon and Dany’s kid, but I’ll be disappointed if there’s a cursory denouement of like five minutes or whatever just so D&D can have their enormous battle set piece and gun for a Best Directing Emmy. In between Sophie’s comments about the actors only having 24 hours to read the scripts before filming; a big battle and other complicated sequences taking place in 8x06; two novice directors at the helm; and the extensive use of green screen, I’m worried that the finale is going to be a shitshow.
  2. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I’m not sure if it’s a battle scene. There’s a lot of smoke and mirrors around what was filmed during the day in Seville. (The night shoots were definitely battle stuff.) /BoatsexBaby has been implying it’s a chaotic Daznak Pit-type scene, but a lot doesn’t add up. A number of /Freefolkers claim to have sources, but /BoatsexBaby is the only one who provided proof that she knew someone in the production, in her case either one of the doubles or someone who worked with them (a photo of two of the doubles taken from inside their car in Seville). /BoatsexBaby was told by her source that the Seville filming was for the KL battle. The weird part is that the KL exterior shots from the last two episodes were filmed in late May and June, which means that the only KL exterior stuff involving Sansa is the relatively short scene (since it only took four days to film) shot in Seville at Italica during the day. Seems fishy.
  3. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    It could be that the writers are just setting up a scenario where Jon and Dany need each other to balance each other out and he will be the one to temper her “wildness” or whatever. We’ll see. Various tidbits: 1. Maisie and Kit were the last major cast members to wrap last week. Maisie hashtagged her farewell post #lastwomanstanding. 2. Sophie Turner confirmed that she wrapped all filming in Seville, meaning she didn’t film any of the KL exterior stuff shot in Belfast over May and June. In a recent interview she also talked about the day she wrapped filming on the Belfast set, where she was given a sendoff by David Nutter. This probably took place in April. 3. /BoatsexBaby has been implying that all scenes filmed in Seville (not just the night shoots) were battle scenes, which shoots down my denouement theory, but there you have it. /BoatsexBaby has implied that there were two sets of scenes filmed during the day, one with body doubles (Brienne, Robin, Tyrion, Sansa) requiring running around in the midst of action, and the other with more dialogue and no doubles (involving Arya, Sam, Bran, Davos, and Gendry). 4. Miguel Sapochnik (directing 8x03 and 8x05) just posted a farewell message on his Twitter account indicating he had wrapped work on S8. 5. A Reddit poster on a Star Wars fan subreddit claimed that he had a friend in the industry in the know about S8 who said that Sansa survives S8, that she ends up in a position of power, that she has good scenes with Tyrion, and that Dany dies. /Freefolk drama ensued. 6. Thor Bjornsson (the Mountain) was asked about his favourite scene for GOT and he said it’s from Season 8 (cough cough CLEGANEBOWL GET HYPE). 7. Unlike the KL set structures, which have been burned and leveled, the outdoor Winterfell set at Moneyglass seems intact with no damage or burn marks. Hmm.
  4. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I guess that's the most obvious answer, but I prefer Jaime. #kanyeshrug ...Really, though, if it was one of Jaime or Cersei, you'd expect the other's corpse to be there as well. I will be very surprised if Jaime and Cersei don't die together.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Filming rumours are that a scene was filmed in June where a corpse is discovered in the rubble of the collapsed throne room. Seems like it would have to be Jaime or Cersei, right?
  6. Newstar

    Who will Sansa marry?

    GRRM had his leading female character fall in love with her rapist and you think he cares about feminist messaging? " I want the reader to feel that no one is ever completely safe, not even the characters who seem to be the heroes. The suspense always ratchets up a notch when you know that any character can die at any time. Five central characters will make it through all three [as then planned] volumes, however (...)" He also told IGN that he has planned the broad strokes of the same ending since 1991. Tyrion's a bastard, no question, but he's GRRM's bastard: his favourite character, the character he loves writing, the character he admits he wishes he were like, one of his beloved original five, etc. etc. Sansa is...none of these things. Sansa is not guaranteed to be sacrificed on Tyrion's altar so that GRRM's unquestioned fave can walk out of ASOIAF with a gorgeous young wife (which is totally not wish fulfilment because she's not the gorgeous young wife who truly loved him and whom he lost forever, I guess), but it would not surprise me in the slightest.
  7. Newstar

    Who will Sansa marry?

    In the entirety of ASOIAF and the backstory of Westeros as in related works, there are women who have ditched their husbands to live elsewhere (Mellario, Lynesse Hightower, etc.). There are women have been widowed and have remarried (Margaery, Lysa, Dany, Queen Nymeria, Elaena Targaryen, etc.). There is even a single example of a marriage annulled for non-consummation (Baelor/Daena Targaryen). However, what there is not is a single female character (in a cast of thousands) who has remarried after her marriage was annulled. Is this a coincidence on GRRM's part, and could Sansa be the exception? Nope and nope. Remember ADWD: "Wolves and women wed for life." Sansa's already married, and like every other woman in the whole of ASOIAF, TWOIAF, and beyond, she's stuck with him and him alone as a husband until he dies. (Doesn't work the other way around, of course.) She can run off to Essos and take a lover as Lynesse did. She can live apart from Tyrion as Mellario does with Doran. Heck, she may even get an annulment at some point far in the future, but she will never have another husband unless Tyrion dies, and he won't. If someone has to die to undo that marriage, it won't be Tyrion.
  8. Newstar

    Who will Sansa marry?

    Littlefinger, a brilliant man who has ample incentive to make sure Sansa can marry Harry, knows all about Tyrion's marriage to Tysha and still thinks Sansa has to be widowed to get her out of her marriage, so no, the marriage is not void or voidable thanks to Tysha, unless you're arguing that you're smarter than Littlefinger, LOL. No one who knows about Tyrion's marriage to Tysha considers Tyrion's marriage to Sansa void or voidable as a result, either. The whole Tysha issue is beside the point in the discussion of an annulment, because Sansa already has a perfectly good basis for an annulment: non-consummation. However, she won't be able to avail herself of it until there's a friendly regime in KL to Sansa Stark, and that's not going to happen anytime soon...which, as I said, seems entirely deliberate on GRRM's part. Asking "Whom will Sansa marry?" is like asking "What will Dany name her dragons?" GRRM already answered the question. He may not have answered the question to your satisfaction, but he answered it. Let it go.
  9. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Me, too. They are precious.
  10. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I suspect that the third WTF twist is something which is sort of separate from the "main plot" and can be kind of hived off by itself, as the other two big twists (Hodor, Shireen) involved minor characters and didn't really tie into the overarching plot or big questions of the show. Maybe it's the identity of the speaker Varys heard in the flames...? I don't know why that would be from the very end of the show, though. I don't get the vibe that Dany is being set up as an endgame ruler--too much handwringing from Tyrion and Varys over the Tarly thing--but I've been wrong before, so... Dany's endgame hasn't been clearly telegraphed in the show (although I will be shocked if she and Jon don't have a miracle baby), but there are a few characters in the show for whom that's true: Melisandre: Dies (in Westeros) Varys: Dies (possibly because he betrayed Dany...?) Cersei: Dead, and Jaime has something to do with it Jaime: Dead, and Cersei has something to do with it The Mountain: Killed by Sandor (presumably for good) Sam: Warden of the South (released from NW, probably because it's dissolved) Missandei: Goes back to Naath Grey Worm: Accompanies Missandei to Naath (this isn't from the show itself but apparently there was something in the leaked summaries for Season 7 about how Naath needed protecting, etc. etc.) Anyone other than that, I dunno. Tyrion gets his winery, I guess...?
  11. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    The dragons, yes, but I don't think there will be anything as dramatic as The End of Magic. You can't really end magic without killing off Jon, Dany, Arya, Bran, and Sansa, all of whom are magical beings: wargs, carriers of magical blood, magic users, etc. Heck, Jon is currently being kept alive by magic, so if magic goes, so does he. I suspect that "heartbreaking" is just a buzzword the GOT PR folks fed the cast when they're talking up Season 8, so it may not be all it's cracked up to be. I'm curious about the third WTF twist from the books, which D&D have said is from the very end of the show. Agreed and agreed. Rumour has it that there is a big Dany/Drogon vs. NK/Viserion fight in 8x06...which makes sense because why turn one dragon into a wight unless it's going to fight another dragon?--which to me means that Rhaegal probably dies at the battle of Winterfell (to even the odds).
  12. Newstar

    Who will Sansa marry?

    GRRM's talking about fans "imagining romantic pairings," and you don't think he's referencing SanSan? Eh, Tyrion probably deserved better than to lose his nose and be framed for regicide. I doubt GRRM cares much about what Tyrion "deserves." With that said, I do find it amusing when fans who obviously can't wait for Tyrion to die to make way for SanSan start talking about how it would be a terrible shame for poor Tyrion to end up married to Sansa when he deserves oh so much better. It absolutely does have to do with his overall plan, but I suspect it's not in the way you think. So? They would have been married for those five years, and Tyrion is going to come back to Westeros one way or another. It's not a Jorah/Lynesse situation where one spouse just peaces out, never to be heard from again. The marriage is binding until it's annulled, and GRRM has explained just how it can be annulled, or Tyrion (or Sansa) dies. Only if you assume that her final role is to end up married to someone else...in which case, the decision to marry her off to a character who is going to survive the series seems awfully puzzling.
  13. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    "I can't be lord of Winterfell. I can't be lord of anything...but I can be king of everything. Lord =/= king. Sorry if that was unclear." I'm of two minds with the "The ending is oh so unpredictable" line from actors (Maisie, Sophie, and a few others). Either it's PR bullshit to serve as a smokescreen for Jon/Dany on the Iron Throne (since if the ending is super predictable, would they really say so?), or it genuinely is that surprising. I'm okay if the ending is predictable if it provides a satisfying conclusion to everything that's gone before. I'm also okay if the ending is surprising as long as it's not some shit that makes a mockery of everything that preceded it or is just shocking for the sake of shocking.
  14. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Betting was suspended in the UK because a rush of people suddenly started betting on Bran sitting the Iron Throne, and in all fairness that is an ending I would consider truly surprising.
  15. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Yeah, Sophie Turner just did an interview where she was gushing about how unpredictable the ending supposedly is.
  16. Newstar

    Who will Sansa marry?

    I'll let the man himself speak, who was asked in a 2012 interview whether he's aware that the ending won't please everyone: I wonder which fans he means. Hmm. Keep telling yourself that. After five years' worth of marriage (as in the original five-year plan)? If a paper shield was all she needed, why didn't he marry Sansa off to some lesser, obviously doomed minor character like Hizdahr, or, heck, even Lancel, who was too weak to consummate? Instead, he married her off to one of the most important characters of the books and contrived a set of circumstances that would ensure that they would stay married for a considerable period of time (5+ years in his original plan). Why? Maybe reread Cat and Robb's reaction to the news of Sansa's marriage before spouting off about what you think the North does and doesn't care about. According to LF's plan, Sansa can't marry Harry until Tyrion dies, so no.
  17. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I agree. One of the PR buzzwords for Season 8 seems to be "heartbreaking," so I'm wondering if they're setting up the viewership to fear the worst only to smack them square between the eyes with a (relatively) happy ending. GRRM has said over (and over) again that he was going for the LOTR ending in terms of tone, and the LOTR ending was relatively happy, once the Shire got cleaned up. The ending of GOT won't all be rainbows and puppies, of course; it seems as if both Winterfell and KL will be destroyed, with significant casualties, and I wouldn't be surprised if the dragons die as well. I think Team Jon/Dany will be largely intact by the end, though. I've thought for a while that the main five are safe. Sansa I'm on the fence about, but if the Seville stuff shot during the day is from after the battle, Sansa definitely makes it, since Sophie filmed in Seville. ...This may be why some of the cast members have indicated that the ending is surprising and may be divisive. If it's too happy, some fans may feel cheated. If you have all this ominous foreshadowing but pretty much everyone survives, it may feel like a copout to some. To be honest, I'm a little worried about the finale. Complicated battle sequences with lots of moving parts + a ton of greenscreen + inexperienced directors = ??? I get why D&D want their directors' Emmy, but I'd rather it not be at the expense of the show.
  18. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I think you’ve nailed it. With all the villain deaths backloaded to the very end of the show, that makes it less likely in my opinion that there will be big character deaths on Team Jon/Dany...which of course dovetails nicely with the 1993 outline that stated that the main five would make it through all the books.
  19. Newstar

    Who will Sansa marry?

    And yet for all this talk of symbolic marriage and metaphorical marriage she is actually married to Tyrion, who is guaranteed to survive the series according to GRRM's 1993 outline. (Sandor of course has no such protection.) Furthermore, if GRRM had stuck to his original plan of having a five-year gap, Sansa would have been married to Tyrion for at least five years. Thanks to GRRM, Sansa already has a real husband--not a metaphorical or symbolic husband, but a real husband--and he isn't going anywhere. Even Littlefinger's plan to remarry Sansa to Harry doesn't contemplate an annulment but rather Tyrion's death, which should give you some idea of where GRRM is going with this. LOL no. GRRM has laid out the procedure for an annulment, and it's...surprisingly difficult, not to mention pretty much impossible for Sansa to pull off given her present circumstances, being a fugitive from the Crown and all. (And the idea that Sansa would just declare herself unmarried to rid herself of her marriage and risk her future children from any future unions being treated as bastards, after having had a firsthand taste of what it's like to live as a bastard herself, is silly. We all know that Sansa's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but let's be serious, shall we?) It's almost as if GRRM wants to make it very difficult for Sansa to remarry. I wonder why.
  20. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    GRRM has said more than once that he knows the ending in "broad strokes," which he has implied involves what happens to the main characters: who sits on the Iron Throne, who lives, who dies, and as well what I assume will be the fate of Westeros as a whole. The show's ending can't possibly be 100% the same as the book ending, due to show changes, but in terms of the things 95% of fans care about when they talk about "the ending"--the fates of Jon, Dany, the POV Starks, the Lannister siblings, and the Iron Throne--I'm confident the ending is the same as it will be in ADOS if it's ever published. (I don't think it will be.) For more minor characters still alive in the show as of the end of S7, it's less clear. For example, TV Gendry is a composite character of Book Gendry and Book Edric Storm. So whose endgame will TV Gendry's reflect? Book Edric's? It also seems as if GRRM hasn't told D&D about what he plans to do with some of the minor characters whose equivalents exist in the TV show, such as Bronn or Qyburn, because he hasn't yet decided what to do with them, like Bronn or Qyburn, so D&D will have to come up with something on their own. And then you have book characters whose show characters have been killed off but who are still alive as of the end of ADWD, and there are a lot of them: Obara, Tyene, Ellaria, Olenna, Loras, Mance, Rickon, Osha, Irri, Ramsay, Roose, Randyll, Dickon, Littlefinger, etc. etc. I think we can safely conclude that any actual or potential kings and queens who have died in the show (Stannis, Myrcella, Tommen, Margaery, etc.) are also destined to die in the books--when you play the game of thrones, etc. etc.--and I think it's also likely that the villains like Littlefinger, Roose and Ramsay will get their comeuppance, but beyond that, who knows? And finally of course there are the hundreds of characters that didn't make it to the show at all who are still alive as of the end of ADWD, whose intended book fates will likely forever remain a mystery unless they're killed off in TWOW, although for many of them we can probably infer that they will die to make way for certain storylines the show has brought into play (Val, Fake Aegon, etc.). I doubt we'll find out the ultimate fate of Dorne, either; D&D seem to have written off that plotline as a failed experiment. TLDR: The show's ending will absolutely be the same as in the books, as long as by "the ending," you mean what happens to Jon, Dany, the Lannister siblings, and the POV Starks, who's sitting the Iron Throne (if indeed there is one by the end), who gets Winterfell, and what happens to Westeros as a whole. Everything else will be up to D&D....which is why I suspect D&D are going to use the big battles at Winterfell and King's Landing to kill off pretty much everyone who's still alive in the show whose book fates they don't know just to make it easy on themselves (although Bronn's probably safe).
  21. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    The big five has always been Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Arya and Bran, not Sansa. If Dany's last scene on the show was filmed in Dubrovnik, as Architectural Digest claimed, Dany definitely doesn't die. Emilia hasn't been filming the big KL battle scenes with Kit, Maisie, Liam and Peter, but since Dany is probably on the back of a dragon when this battle is happening on the ground, that's hardly surprising. If the Seville day scenes are postwar scenes, then Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, and Bran (as well as Robin, Brienne, Sam, Davos and Gendry) are safe, but Jon and Dany are question marks, since Kit didn't film in Seville during the day, and Emilia didn't film in Seville at all. However, if Architectural Digest is correct, we can probably guess that Dany survives. The only Team Stark character of the main cast who's a question mark based on the above assumptions about Seville and Dubrovnik is Jon. We know he survives at least until the big KL battle of 8x05 or 8x06, though. It is possible that there was some sort of great council scene filmed during the day in Seville, but if so that would mean that Jon and Dany are out of the picture by the time that happens...Maybe by the time the great council rolls around Jon and Dany have already abandoned Westeros or gone into hiding or what have you. What makes me think it was a postwar grand council, other than my skepticism that they would film winter scenes in heavy costumes in Seville May weather, is that Tobias Menzies (Edmure) was allegedly spotted with the rest of the cast on the flight returning from Seville, even though he hadn't been staying at the hotel with the main cast members and even though no one had seen him in Seville. Why would they keep his presence in Seville secret unless there was something spoilery about it? Along with Tobias Menzies, we have Lino Facioli (Robin) and Gemma Whelan (Yara) both in Seville when these scenes were being filmed. Lino made no secret of his presence, but Gemma wasn't seen at all and was only "outed" as being in Seville when she posted a photo that was taken in Seville. So between Edmure, Robin and Yara, those are three of the surviving lords/ladies ruling large regions (assuming Yara survives and Theon dies). Throw in Sam (Warden of the South assuming the NW is dissolved), Bran/Arya/Sansa (the North), Tyrion (Westerlands), Brienne (Tarth), and Gendry (Stormlands if he's legitimized), and that's pretty much a full house for a great council (at least in the show universe), isn't is? So if what was filmed was this enormous gathering of survivings lords and ladies, and Jon and Dany are absent, that would suggest that Jon and Dany aren't part of the postwar power structure in Westeros, for whatever reason. I'm guessing that the dragons die, for starters. If there is a big dragon vs. dragon fight in the last episode, that pretty much seals the fate of both. We can also anticipate that there will be a lot of human deaths, and I'm not just talking about the millions of Westeros residents that will be absorbed into the AOTD as the NK makes his way south, or that will be killed when Winterfell and KL are burned to the ground. Grey Worm survives the Battle of Winterfell, but we can probably guess based on filming times that Pod and Tormund won't be so lucky. (I'm less clear about Jorah and Beric.) Then of course Varys and Melisandre are clearly doomed. Throw in Jaime, Sandor (I'm guessing), and maybe even Gilly (since Hannah Murray didn't film in Seville as far as we know), and it's already looking pretty bleak. I mean, isn't that bittersweet enough for you? Because it sounds bittersweet to me.
  22. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Rumours of a big NK-on-Viserion vs. Dany-on-Drogon battle taking place in the last episode. Apparently, what's been filmed on the KL exterior set over the past two months is the climactic KL battle. What's being filmed now is a huge sequence with 600 extras of all ethnicities and ages (both men and women), and lots (and lots and lots) of fire. Source. My best guess at who's still filming (by character): Jon, Arya, Davos, Tyrion, Sam, Gregor, Dany (although Emilia dyeing her roots brown is making me wonder) The final wrap party is scheduled for June 30th (this coming Saturday) with all former cast members.
  23. Yeah, TV Tyrion developed an abhorrence of violence after Season 4. His murdering days are over. Can't see Sansa murdering anyone, either, even Cersei. I'd feel cheated if it's anyone but Jaime that does the deed.
  24. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    If Emilia's final scenes were filmed in Dubrovnik as Architectural Digest has claimed, Dany lives. Also, GRRM's outline said that Dany would live, and I doubt GRRM changed his mind about that in the intervening 25 years. I'm less sure about Jon and Dany ending up on the IT, though, mostly because of those Seville scenes filmed during the day with Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, Davos, Brienne and Bran's actors but not Jon or Dany's. Kit was seen in London today. Done filming for the week, maybe...? NCW said today that he's not done yet and is headed back to Belfast next week. Is it just leftover stuff (ADR, e.g.) or does he have something more substantial left to film?
  25. Newstar

    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Is it, though? We all kind of figured Dany would live. Thor Bjornsson (Gregor) shaved his beard "for filming" and soon after shaved his head. He also filmed for 14 hours yesterday, according to his IG. A_red_priestess on Twitter tweeted photos of the KL set, including smoke rising from the set this morning. She (?) also claims to have seen Rory. CLEGANEBOWL GET HYPE, etc. etc. Interestingly, a poster on /Freefolk thinks that Lena hasn't been in Belfast and is back in Leeds, so Cersei may not be involved in the scenes Thor has been filming. Sophie has spent the last two weeks away from Belfast, so I guess Sansa is sitting out Cleganebowl if indeed that's what's being filmed now. Maisie may be back in Belfast. She spent most of last week in London. It seems like a safe bet that Kit, Emilia, Peter and Liam are filming this week. If so, Maisie is probably filming, too, since she has been filming more or less nonstop with Kit and Liam for over a month. Kit's getting married on Saturday in Scotland. Yay! I expect at least a few GOT cast to attend, but there are only (only?) 200 guests total.
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