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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I'm certain all the endgames for the major characters will be the same, although the details may differ. Tyrion will definitely be Hand in the end. Podrick on the Kingsguard? Less sure about that one. D&D have never cared all that much about Bran as a character, so I have no doubt that King Bran is 100% GRRM. I think a lot of the storytelling choices make sense now that we know the character endgames. Sansa's storyline was retooled to focus her on the North instead of the Vale, because she ends up ruling it. Tyrion's negative traits were downplayed in the show because he has a heroic arc and ends up as Hand. Arya's comment about west of Westeros in S6 was indeed a nod to her endgame. And so on.
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    Potential relationship Sansa/Tyrion ?

    After Sansa was in the show forced to marry two enemies of her family, I can buy that lacking 100% loyalty to her and her alone would be a huge dealbreaker. It also makes a lot of sense to me that for TV Sansa, after everything she has been through, the only thing that truly matters to her in a husband anymore is absolute loyalty. I find it hilarious that most posters on these boards has taken it as gospel truth for years that Sansa would never ever ever in a million years want to be with Tyrion because he's a dwarf and a Lannister and too ugly for her and such, and it's now show canon that Sansa doesn't care about any of that anymore and only objects to his loyalty to Dany. Again, ha!
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    Potential relationship Sansa/Tyrion ?

    Lol. Jorah also kissed Dany's hand in 7x05, but hand kissing is totally not romantic. Gotcha.
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    Discussing Sansa XXXVI: Long Night

    Friki has been wrong about everything for S8 apart from his 8x01 summary. He was wrong about several spoilers for S8 and has admitted it. He could be right about the Tyrion spoilers, but I doubt it. Also, you’ve been screaming about how SanSan endgame forever, and you’re obviously wrong about that, so attempting to bring up things I was wrong about in the past to dunk on me is exceptionally misguided.
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    Discussing Sansa XXXVI: Long Night

    I'm pretty sure having Tyrion not having had sex since Shae is the point. The writers want to show that he's now a serious guy worthy of Sansa as opposed to the "drunken whoremonger" of S1, and if they make it (TV) canon that he's been celibate since Shae (which is where things seem to be going), in light of 8x03 there's probably only one reason for that.
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    Discussing Sansa XXXVI: Long Night

    Looks like. I bet that's why the writers put Tyrion in the crypts instead of fighting with everyone else.
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    Potential relationship Sansa/Tyrion ?

    If this were any other show, I'd be saying they were definitely endgame. You don't throw in impassioned hand kisses between characters with a lot of history with three episodes left to go unless it's going somewhere. Because it's GOT, that "somewhere" might be horrible betrayal, but usually this kind of thing means that the writers are trying to make an endgame pairing plausible late in the game. And I also think that under the circumstances, there was no doubt that Sansa was sincere in her feelings. They both believed they were going to die. Sansa had no reason to manipulate Tyrion by stringing him along with comments calculated to get him to turn on Dany, because she genuinely thought she'd be dead soon. She believed she would be shortly killed by wights when she was making heart eyes at Tyrion. Why bother at that point unless she truly felt that way? No one's that committed to a bit, and as this episode reminded us with Tyrion and Sansa's silent conversation earlier in the episode when Sansa came down to the crypts and he read her expression--when Sansa tried to stayed stoic to prevent people from panicking but couldn't do so with Tyrion--Tyrion knows her too well for her to be able to play him that way, anyway. He can (and did, twice in this episode!) read her like a book. He knew everyone was screwed when she arrived in the crypt from the look on her face, and he knew she was proposing to go down fighting (rather than a suicide pact as Twitter fandom seemed to think). I will never stop laughing if Sansa and Tyrion are endgame. I had to listen to SanSan shippers for years trying to write off the lack of SanSan in the show as D&D "saving the best for last" and claiming that once Sandor and Sansa reunited that they would have a passionate love affair. And in the first three episodes, Sandor and Sansa have had not a single interaction, while Sansa and Tyrion have had a huge moment with a long, heartfelt stare and a passionate, incredibly romantic hand kiss that puts any other romantic interaction in the show to shame (Jonerys and Braime could never). So yeah, it looks like D&D may well have been saving the best for last, but it was Sansa/Tyrion all along, not SanSan. Ha!
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Sophie did a Q&A at New York Comicon last Saturday. A Sansa fan (Naughtysansa) was in attendance and live tweeted the event, and, since reporters were in attendance, a number of articles were published regarding Sophie's comments from the event, more or less reflecting what Naughtysansa had posted on Twitter during the event, with one very big exception: Naughtysansa tweeted that Sophie said that "Sansa will have a statue at the end of GOT." According to Naughtysansa's Tumblr recap, Sophie mentioned the statue in the context of talking about which memento she took home from the set. She wanted to take the statue but it would be too difficult to ship home, and she wanted to take the "needle" necklace but it was going to be used in an exhibit for the show so she couldn't, so she settled on a corset instead. Sophie also said that the statue bore an incredible likeness to her. Sophie said after making the statue comment that she didn't consider it a spoiler and that it wasn't affecting anything significant, but according to Naughtysansa she was talking very quickly when she was saying this. Hmm. So various media articles were published which covered Sophie's other comments: the storyboard she got as a gift, smoking weed with Maisie, her feelings about the end of the show, Kit and Maisie keeping the swords as mementos, etc. A few mentioned the corset. One even mentioned the needle necklace that Sophie wanted to keep. None of the media articles--and we're talking half a dozen or more--mentioned the statue, even the article which had as a subject which prop Sophie took home from the set. It would be one thing if we knew there was an 50 year timejump for the epilogue, but according to /BoatsexBaby, this isn't the case. (There is an epilogue set some time in the future, but not 50 years.) Sophie also said the statue bore an incredible likeness to her, meaning it's not a statue of old Sansa. The only statues of Starks on the show are dead Starks, and the only reason not a single media outlet would mention the statue, despite reporting Sophie's other comments, is that HBO asked them not to, which means the fact that Sansa gets a statue at the end is a huge fucking spoiler. Sansa dies. (And Friki's wrong, BTW, since according to him a live Sansa is in attendance at Tyrion's postwar trial, but that "leak" was always full of holes.)
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    1. The court documents in their entirety show that NCW will be paid for six S8 episodes. 2. The main cast are paid for all the episodes of the season, regardless of how many they appear in. 3. NCW was still filming in June, when Sapochnik and D&D were directing, so he probably makes it to 8x05 at least. How would Friki (and Enty23) claim to know for a fact that Jonsa won’t happen if his only spoilery info is that Tyrion dies? It seems he must know that Jon and Dany survive AND that Tyrion doesn’t to speak confidently about Jonsa being DOA...unless he doesn’t know and is just assuming based on Tyrion’s death that Jon and Dany are safe, or unless he knows that Sansa dies at well. A ship is never 100% off the table unless one of them is dead. I don’t feel bad for the Jonsa fans, personally. They were warned.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Well, there was a flurry of bets on Bran being king in the end a few months ago, to the point that betting was suspended. So if Bran is the NK, and Bran ends up on the Iron Throne, then that's Friki's ending #1. Yeah, it's supposed to be up in about 30-31 hours. (So late Friday night/early Saturday morning on Spain time.)
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    He usually doesn't know anything at this point of the production cycle (beyond what gets leaked to other websites like WOTW and /Freefolk). He usually only gets spoilery information just before the season airs. However, he seems to think he has something this time, since on /Freefolk he said to wait until the next of next week before deciding who is the Leaker of the Year. Not to mention that GRRM said in a recent interview that we wouldn't be seeing the further adventures of Jon, Arya, or Tyrion beyond ASOIAF, which implies that both Jon and Tyrion survive, and Frikidoctor presented no option where both Jon and Tyrion survive. So either GRRM was being misleading, or Frikidoctor is mistaken about the ending. Yes, it was part of his "double betrayal" theory--Sansa and Tyrion team up to betray Jonerys--which he seems to have acknowledged in one of the Twitter threads where these endings are discussed was just trolling on his part.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Actually, that's a great attitude. Personally, I've been burned too many times by lousy series finales not to have very strong opinions about how things should go, but I applaud the spirit. On another note, I'm kind of surprised more fans aren't going nuts over this. If Frikidoctor is right, we now have a very narrow set of options for GOT's endgame--realistically, I think it has to be either Jonerys/dead Tyrion or Dany/dead Jon--and we can rule out pretty much everything else. That's huge!
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Assuming the ending is one of these four options, this seems like the likeliest. A big problem I have with it is that NCW hates the idea of Dany as queen and he seems positively delighted with the ending. Maybe he's thrilled because Dany ends up a miserable single mom...?
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    Well, hopefully Jon won't be crushed to death by a dragon or tortured to death in Dorne.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    I think there's also foreshadowing for Dany getting the throne but being unhappy in the end, though. Daario said something to the effect of "You'll get that throne, I'm sure of it. I hope it brings you happiness." Dany getting the throne and (I assume) a healthy child but losing the love of her life in the process would be very bittersweet. It would also fit with the world of GOT/ASOIAF, where characters either don't get what they want, get what they want in a twisted or perverse way, or get what they want and hate it or have it blow up in their faces somehow.
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