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  1. Shaun Snow

    Mental Wellbeing Thread

    Those all sound like good ideas to me. The writing prompts are quite fun in a group setting, and its interesting to see all the different ways people respond to the same prompt. If you can find such a group, at your local library for example, I think you'd like it. Keep at it! You're nowhere near as silly or incompetant as the demon depression tells you you are!
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    Mental Wellbeing Thread

    I can't speak to your dietary concerns, but have you considered volunteering at a charity shop, or looking for a creative writing group in your area? It might help smooth over your feelings regarding staying with your parents, and provide an outlet for your creativity. I've done both, and I feel that they've helped me counteract my history of depression and low self-esteem.
  3. As shown above, I didn't begin the discussion, I just put in my two cents on it, which was responded to rather negatively alas. But I'll leave it at that if you feel we risk derailing the thread.
  4. So it wasn't a mad scramble after all, then? Bravo on being objective. Note how I dismissed the same thing happening to Rand and Lan in Winter's Heart as did Bran in A Game of Thrones? I'd say that was rather objective of me. But YMMV. I still can't think of a comparable incident to the ones I initially cited in WOT as having happened in ASOIAF though. My memory may be failing me, it's been a while since my last re-read ... You are right about it being easier and smarter to kill Lan than disable him though, in both cases it would have far more sense if he'd died. Dat plot armour, doh. I don't know why you keep mentioning POV characters. I've never cited that status as being particularly telling. After all, almost everyone in WOT gets a POV at one point or another, save for some few notables such as the aforementioned (repeatedly, I might add) Lan, who doesn't get a POV in an RJ penned book in the Wheel of Time sequence, yet was one of the first characters I argued wouldn't have survived a GRRM novel. POV is not something I’m focused on. I count it as one of Martin’s strengths that he can make a character that appears only briefly and through another’s eyes feel alive enough and sympathetic enough that their deaths, when they happen, as they often do, feel so tragic. Jordan does it sometimes as well. Ingtar for example. There weren’t that many other examples, sadly. Which is why I have to disagree again about WOTs bodycount. For a tale about an apocalypse that was prophesised in flowery language for nigh on three millennia, it was astonishingly bloodless, IMO. Tarmon Gai'don resulted in the deaths of one major character, a few secondary ones, the burning of Caemlyn and an off-screen bit of destruction in the Borderlands, most of which we never visit in the main text. It was also over so quickly that people in nations farther afield than Andor probably never even got time to hear the rumours spread that it had begun. Even the War of the Five Kings was more apocalyptic than that! I don’t know how much of it can be blamed on Sanderson, mind. RJ’s two page description of the Trolloc Wars back in TEOTW, a war which merited no flowery prophecies of horrific destruction, certainly sounded far more apocalyptic than the apocalyptic battle we ended up getting. Ta'veren though. Tut tut. “It's not deus ex machina if you already say it is? The plot doesn't have to be logical if I admit beforehand that I’m not going to have it be so?” Nonsense. But also nonsense that I applied to the ASOIAF characters when I hypothesised a world in which they lived alongside the WOT ones under RJ’s guidance. Hence the survival of the likes of Ned and the prophesised saviour types like Dany. The other incidents I conjecture would be taking place in GRRM’s world, and so I endeavour to fairly apply the same standards of writing I feel that he strives towards with his characters to the WOT immigrants. See above, re Bran and Rand/Lan. So. Ta’veren doesn’t work there, but magic, whether the use of the One Power or Valyrian sorcery, does. If we were to imagine yet a third world, one in which such supernatural abilities don’t exist at all, then Dany would definitely have died in that pyre rather than ... (never mind, there might be people out there who managed to avoid hearing about Game of Thrones altogether, lucky sods) and Rand and the rest would have no special powers and so wouldn’t have a chance of getting anywhere near the Iron Throne. But that wasn’t what we were discussing.
  5. Well opinions will vary. I'd say not taking a second to kill them is a nonsensical plot development, especially when he later takes the time to write Rand a love note in blood while the other two are lying unmolested a few feet away. What a "mad scramble" writing that must have been! Of similar unlikelihood is Lan being knocked out by the Forsaken twice (Aginor/Balthamel and then Lanfear, who killed the nameless Aiel who charged her on Cairhien's docks but not the named character), instead of simply being incinerated by them. Incidents such as this strain credulity far beyond any specific incident I can recall from ASOIAF, though if you'd like to point one out feel free. So far all I've seen are generalities, bar Bran's fall, which I would merely liken to Lan and Rand surviving the fall from that roof in Far Madding. A minor incident, the kind of thing that is quite dangerous but that people have been known to survive even in real life. When deciding on the most likely fates of the WOT cast I specifically avoided any situation that I deemed plausible but dangerous, such as Perrin drowning when crossing the river, the Trollocs not being able to kill a bunch of villagers, an Acme brand anvil not dropping on anyone's head, that sort of stuff. I also avoided the deliberately mystical, such as Dany's pyre scene and Rand's battle in the sky, or anything else involving magic and the One Power. It's only the incidents where you really have to lean heavily on ta'veren (deus ex machina, in the Old Tongue) to try and explain how the plot makes sense, or the decisions made are remotely in character, that make me scoff and think, "GRRM wouldn't allow that in his series". Random aside: Beric being alive has been mentioned twice now, but he actually died for good in one of the more recent books. He's also a very minor character.
  6. I already ackowledged that there are moments when GRRM's plot isn't as free of holes as could be, though the ones you sight are rather small. However, it requires significantly less suspension of disbelief that the WOT plot does. As I said. And if we are mixing the worlds, then one or the other must adapt to fit the setting and the author. I mean, are you seriously going to try to claim that Mat and Egwene making it out of that dungeon isn't at least ten times as unrealistic as anything that happens in ASOIAF, or that you think GRRM would have wrote that scene? I know you're a fan of Egwene, but Jesus dude, take off the blinkers ...
  7. If we're mixing the two casts, it really depends on who's doing the writing IMO. If we have Westeros as another continent in Robert Jordan's setting, as written by him, then I think Dany saves the world from the Others and takes the Iron Throne. RJ was a pretty conservative author, who tended to play the good and evil, heroes and villains thing pretty straight. He also had a very low body count in his apocalypse story. The good guys got rewarded; the bad guys got their comeuppance. And Tuon's the only grey figure I can think of off the top of my head that prospered. I figure the likes of Ned, Robert, Catelyn, Robb and so forth survive all the way to the end if ASOIAF is a Jordan tale, probably with Robert abdicating in Dany's favour after she saves the day, and then heading off to the Free Cities to live happily ever after. If the, ah, Westlands is another continent in George R. R. Martin’s setting, as written by him though, things get a bit different. GRRM has a certain theme of realistic consequences resulting from bad decisions, and goes out of his way to avoid deus ex machina solutions, albeit with a few instances where he fails his own standards in that regards, such as Summer just happening to be nearby on the night that the wildlings decide to test Jon’s loyalty. Still. Despite such discrepancies, I don’t think many of the WOT cast would last long in ASOIAF. Moiraine, Lan and Nynaeve would likely have died at the Eye of the World, when they take on Aginor and Balthamel and lose. In the original scene, the Forsaken just beat them unconscious and leave them lying there without even any tasteful scars to show for their encounter. They even knock Lan aside with Air, despite it being an element we’re told is usually stronger in women than in men, whereas the much deadlier Fire is the opposite. I have to assume that if you were to encounter two of the evilest magicians in history in a GRRM tale, fight them, and lose ... you don’t get left alive. Few, if anyone, in Westeros has plot armour that thick. And they definitely don’t have plot armour thick enough to get caught alone in a dark dungeon with someone like Padan Fain, armed with the Shadar Logoth dagger. So Mat and Egwene don’t make it past the opening few chapters of book two. They die in the scene where Fain gets loose and takes the dagger from Mat’s belt. In the original, Fain just knocks them out, and Rand finds them later lying on the ground side by side but unharmed. Take a moment to imagine how that must have played out. Padan Fain, merged with Mordeth. Two evil sons of bitches. They get out of the cell, knock out one of the three ta’veren that Fain spends the whole series obsessively hating over, as well as the then girlfriend of another of those ta’veren, yet Fain, who will later attempt to wipe out the entire Two Rivers, and succeed in slaughtering Perrin’s whole extended family, Fain just crouches down, takes the dagger from the sheath at Mat’s belt and ... gets up and walks away. We’ve seen how easily that thing kills. All it takes is a scratch. He wouldn’t have even had to exert the force needed to stab the two unconscious teens in the heart, or take a step away from where he crouched to reach their flesh. Just two casual flicks of his wrist and both are gone forever. But he wanders off instead, to go rant for a dozen more books about how much he hates the ta’veren trio ... You need plot armour a foot thick, and made of feckin’ titanium, to survive that. GRRM would never have let them get out of that dungeon alive. Rand I think might have made it as far as Falme, but is unlikely to have survived his duel with High Lord Turak. A lucky blow taking out a clearly superior fighter ... Maybe. Just maybe. But even if he survives Turak, he definitely wouldn’t survive the Stone of Tear. Run off alone to sneak into the greatest fortress in the land, where you’ll face off against a Forsaken who easily outmatches you? Nah. Stupid decisions like that get you killed in GRRMland. Oddly enough, I think it’s Perrin who has the best chance of making it to the end of the tale. He makes the fewest bonehead decisions of the major WOT characters. He wouldn’t get anywhere near the Iron Throne, of course, but I could see him surviving the series and getting a happy ending, at least.
  8. It might be a bit heavier than you're looking for, but there was a film starring James Nesbitt set in Derry during the Troubles, detailing one of the most controversial parts of it to have happened here. It's called Bloody Sunday. My mother was at the march it is based on and it led to her getting involved with the IRA.
  9. Shaun Snow

    South Park: Member Season 20? [SPOILERS]

    I thought the first half of this season was among South Park's weakest, but these last four episodes have been pretty on point.
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    The Witcher on Netflix 2: Man of steel and silver

    They should have cast a slender young woman who could pass for a natural redhead, and I am fine with that making me racist. (and also ageist, sexist, transphobic, skinny shaming, fat shaming, gender assuming etc.)
  11. That's sound advice. I got all of the sea based ones on my second, completist playthrough, and there was nothing there to justify the amount of time Geralt spent sitting on that boat.
  12. I held out on WOTC for a year, but caved this summer. Its good, really good, but not full price good.
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    WHEEL OF TIME tv show: Go on,tug my braid!

    It could have been used to good effect in WOT, given that reincarnation and circular time are accepted as facts of life in that universe. Pre-determination and the lack of angency afforded to everyone born in it might have made for a fascinating conflict, especially with Rand supposedly being reborn to repeat the mistakes of his past self, and Ishamael being a utter nihilist. Min's never-failing visions of the future could have tied into that theme well. But once again, it was a case of great build up and lacklustre payoff.
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    WHEEL OF TIME tv show: Go on,tug my braid!

    Sanderson's stuff read like bad fan fiction to me, complete with an obnoxious OC that solved everyone's problems in Androl. I haven't touched his solo work due to how little I liked his WOT work so I'd be completely on board with ignoring his three novels entirely.
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    WHEEL OF TIME tv show: Go on,tug my braid!

    Agreed. It was an interesting concept that was never satisfyingly explored. The founding of the Asha'man and the Aes Sedai's reaction to them could have been fascinating. Sadly it was not.
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