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More than one way to look at a situation. Natalie this season went from suicide attempt to kind of a break through. She really seemed to finally see some of the shit she was doing and another way to live, she chose not to drink. In the end she was wearing the purple, she was healing and feeling ok for once. So guess what, you die. The others are all still suffering, so they live?

I thought that Van was brought back just to be killed. The whole cancer thing seemed to fit, she could have sacrificed herself since she is dying anyway. As to Natalie being the main character, I never saw that, to me Shauna is the main, her and Missy anyways. This season saw Natalie come to grips with her demons and kind of being at peace finally so killing her off kind of made sense to me.

Caught up on this and I think I have similar takes as pretty much everyone else. Teen time line is much better done than the current one. Although, if all we had was the teen timeline I imagine there would be a ton of complaints about teen angst etc.. I do think that several of the teen actors have done great jobs though. Walter, I want to like his character but that pop out and pull the cops gun, get off a couple rounds and then just toss the gun in and close the trunk without the cop immediately beating and cuffing him???? That whole plotline is just horrible. Even the beginning of it sucked. A couple of high school kids, who actually look like kids, in a bar in the middle of the day drinking, and then a cop buys her a drink knowing full well she is a teen? That action alone would have tossed those detectives off the case if the parents had brought a complaint. I actually liked that coach did that, we saw him deteriorate for several episodes after they ate the first girl, he was never the same. He was dealing with that but then they arranged to kill one of their own and eat them and he saw how far gone they were. BTW, do we mention how these people are "starving" and yet still have tons of baby fat on them? I mean, watch a season of survivor and see how much people lose in just 37 days, or and season of Alone. I know they can't make them skeletons but there should have been some built in understanding that they all needed to lose some weight between season for the show, not for vanity reasons. Hard to reconcile they are resorting to cannibalism and murder when they still have chubby cheeks. But, then there are so many kids that get told to lose weight for a lot of reasons so I can see them not doing it in real life. 5 seasons will likely be 2 too many.

I did say IMO. The guard needed to die because he would have raised the alarm and Joel and co. would have been caught and killed before getting to the rendezvous spot. You talk about the torture and then killing, those guys were there to kill him, again I have clearly stated if you try to kill him, you are fair game to kill, never said anything to the contrary. As to the rampage sequence, again, those people would have killed him if he didn't have the upper hand, I can't understand how anyone thinks other wise, so they are fair game. He had Ellie but they absolutely were not safe.

Not IMO. If anything in that world they need to protect doctors and skilled nurses. Joel, as we have seen him so far, won't kill just to kill. He knows the fireflies that dropped their weapons would've killed him if they had the chance, that's the difference in my viewing of it.

Someone who isn't armed and showed no inclination to get a weapon isn't the same. Witness, sure of course, but not a threat.

Yeah but he was in a no prisoner situation, he couldn't lock them up or just hope that once he left that area that they wouldn't arm themselves and kill him.

I think he spared anyone not armed. He wasn't going to kill the doctor until he grabbed the scalpel and came at him. The nurses posed no threat. BTW I forgot to come to this thread a couple weeks ago. There was a fungus outbreak in a northern Michigan lumber mill that sickened 50+ people and shut the mill down. They reopened the mill this week. My mind went to The Last of Us!

Don't look now but life imitating art... Candida auris, C. auris is a fungal disease that's spreading through nursing homes and "presents a serious global threat" !!!! https://www.yahoo.com/news/deadly-fungal-infection-spreading-hospitals-164045552.html

This is where I stand and why saving her was the right thing to do. Her infection stopped while in her arm, meaning that her blood stopped it, therefor her blood likely carries the antibodies or whatever the correct term is for it, of course this is just my opinion and I am no doctor.

IMO it was the trauma. Last we saw her she was genuinely terrified and screamed when Joel got to her. This episode we see her and it appeared her spirit was broken. It wasn't until Joel told her about trying to kill himself and the giraffes until she came out of it a little bit.

Lets not forget Ellie just went through a very traumatic experience as was clearly evident in her behavior this episode. Another pretty damn big thing is that Ellie is only 14 years old. In the real world she would not be able to give consent for just about anything let alone dying for a possible, maybe, hopefully, but we have no evidence cure.

Agree here. I was shocked that the final episode was so short, like 45 min at most?

Totally disagree here. Had he let Marlene live the Fireflies would have been hunting them forever, he even told her that right before killing her. Marlene knows about his brother in Wyoming and that is their safe harbor. Ellie would never be safe if Marlene was left alive. Also, going forward they would simply use a long distance shot to kill Joel and just take Ellie instead of trying to be nice about it. There would never be a discussion and choice for Ellie to make, Marlene was just saying this to try to stop Joel.

Got tired of reading the 50 posts since it aired so I'm just gonna type instead and read more later. I would've done what Joel did. I have a daughter and no way I'm letting them kill her under those circumstances, or maybe any. They do not know for a fact that the procedure is the answer to the cure. They only have a guess that it will. Sorry but her life is worth more than a guess. Check blood, etc.. Hell I'd rather they said we need to get her pregnant to see if her kid is immune also, anything but kill her and hope that the one doctor there guessed correctly. This episode showed us that Marlene knew how Ellie became immune, that fact alone provides hope. They know a mother about to give birth, who gets bitten likely equals an immune child. Doing horrific experiments with this knowledge is no worse than killing Ellie. However, I do not like that Joel lied to her about it. Had he explained to her that they were going to kill her without knowing if it would have worked, she may not like what he did but at least she would respect him for not lying to her. Which brings me to what I didn't like about this episode. That was a whole new Joel we saw in this episode. I know he was trying to get her out of her funk from the previous attack but turning Joel into a blithering chatterbox who then lies to her was totally out of character. Side note about The Walking Dead. How Ellie became immune is somewhat how I thought TWD would show a cure, if it ever did. I thought that children born after it all happened would be immune to it, something about having been exposed to it in utero etc... I thought Judith would get bit and wouldn't turn and that would be the aha moment.

Yeah, and I thought he was lying to her about the 4 mile round trip so her timing would be off watching for him to come back, but then I remember them talking at the resort about seeing deer a couple miles away.

First bolded part, I think this is due to the cold. Fungus don't grow well in cold temps, but thrive in warm moist areas. Maybe they are applying some real world science to it? Second bold, they now have a full deer and horse to eat. That horse alone will provide hundreds of pounds of meat and they have lost like 9 men in the two episodes. Based on that meeting/meal there was only like 30-40 in the entire group, so now 9 less mouths to feed. Joel and Ellie may have actually saved the community by getting them a deer and horse and simultaneously thinning the male population!

Much of the same reaction to this episode as everyone. It seemed rushed, like it would have been better spread out over two episodes. Same thoughts, the main meeting place is burning to the ground and no one notices? Not happy with myself for missing the cannibalism, should have seen that. When I saw the looks between the guys when the girl asked about burying her dad I just brushed it off, even though starvation was obvious, lazy on my part! I did like that Ellie didn't need Joel to come save her despite it being hinted that he would. Since the water was shown to us several times and we also saw canoes, can we assume they escape via the water since they have no horse, Joel is still recovering, and the people of that town should be on their way to the burning building by now?

I'm no detective but based on this, and a spoiler I assume you just spoiled that a certain person dies? If so thanks? If not then it's a good fake out.

I like Ramsey as Ellie. She, IMO, has shown a wide range of emotions already. She puts up a brave front and cracks show in it exposing her fear and insecurities. In this episode I truly believed she had a crush on the other girl and not that she was just pretending to. Yeah sometimes the teen angst smart ass thing is annoying but guess what, so are teenagers!!

It was a good episode but didn't have the feels of Ep 3. Ep 3 was done much better IMO, acting, and of course showing them over years and not just one night. Would have been nice to wrap it up though, I mean go ahead and show us Ellie's infection not spreading while hers does and then how the Fireflys come to find her. Actually that's probably still to come, but it seems like it belonged in this episode.

Agree with the sentiment but without her this is a silent movie until we come across random raiders and settlements. Joel is supposed to be the quiet brooding type so he can't carry the on screen dialogue. This is the way.

If I had the will power I would do that.

Another good, well acted episode. Also liked the older couple in the cabin from the beginning. The panic attack setting in was a surprise for me. When they got to the bridge I expected infected of some type, same for the dam. I thought they would be going there for some reason. Also never expected them to find his brother this fast. But, him not being part of the fireflies anymore makes sense why he was found, the story has to keep going past him. Ellie and Joel bonded a lot more this episode even though she knows he was going to leave her. Hopefully those who thought she wasn't holding her own in the acting dept watched this. I wonder if the fungus has a hard time existing in the north in the winter and maybe that's why we don't see much? Maybe once spring/summer hit the fungi come back in full force like the bugs do? So is next week the origin story of Ellie?

Henry offing himself made sense, that was who he was living for. For him to be the one to shoot Sam, the shock of that was too much for him. Like most I felt like the bloater, no idea they had a name, felt like it was out of place. I liked that Ellie tried to use her blood to help Sam, obviously not understanding that it would have to be refined or whatever. Wonder what that is going to do to her psyche, not believing that she has the cure in her. And I do remember Joel's bolt action gun getting reloaded once, that's a lot for a show!