A Loner... A Rebel Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Sorry if this has been discussed previously - but I have read a GREAT theory (http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html) about how ASOIAF could be following Norse mythology about the end of days.... and while I disagree with some of the small things, I think it makes sense that GRRM (who dislikes neat good vs. bad stories) to go directly against what we are expecting to happen... and have the people we have been routing against since the first book end up being the saviors of humanity SPOILERS TO FOLLOW:Where did we leave off after ADWD?Dany has sworn "fire and blood" and has the Westeros equivalent of WMD oin Drogon... Jon was stabbed by his "family"... and could be going all UnCat.... Bran is in the dark, might have eaten his friend, and is working with a group that mankind has driven almost to extinction darJaime has saved Brienne, turned his back on his evil sister, and generally tryng to be a better person... Walder Frey guards the quickest path between the north and the rest of Westeros for when the others start attacking... What does everyone think? The link above goes into far more depth than I have here, but Jaime being the one-handed savior of mankind would be quite the twist... as would Azor Ahai (Jon) being a bad guy (the world destroyer in Norse myth, Surtr, carriers a flaming sword and destroys the barrier between the world of man and the other realms (ie - the wall) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Really, someone read the almost 5000 pages of these books and their conclusion is that GRRM entire creative impulse for the series is trying to retell Norse mythology? :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connartist92 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 About the Twins standing between the Others and the rest of Westeros... If they've survived under ice for thousands of years, I think they can cross a river without a bridge. Haven't we heard about the Others walking out of the ocean at Eastwatch by the Sea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Loner... A Rebel Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think "dead things" were in the sea (ie - wights).... not sure about Other/White-walkers being able to walk through/on water... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Loner... A Rebel Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Really, someone read the almost 5000 pages of these books and their conclusion is that GRRM entire creative impulse for the series is trying to retell Norse mythology? :dunno: not a direct retelling - he is sympathizing with those on the side of the "giants" and showing the gods to be monsters... its just that the gods - mostly out of selfishness - will be fighting on the side of mankind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 ASOIAF is a story, not a puzzle box. This is what I hate about all the theorycrafting stuff. People are combing the text for obscure clues so they can solve some mystery embedded in the text, rather than trying to enjoy the story as a story. ASOIAF is not a retelling of Norse mythology, Howland Reed is not the High Septon, and Euron is not Daario (or the smokey woman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmallOther Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 ASOIAF is a story, not a puzzle box. This is what I hate about all the theorycrafting stuff. People are combing the text for obscure clues so they can solve some mystery embedded in the text, rather than trying to enjoy the story as a story. ASOIAF is not a retelling of Norse mythology, Howland Reed is not the High Septon, and Euron is not Daario (or the smokey woman). He isn't retelling, but his story is surely based on some mythologies. Not details, and not everything, of course, but many things are well known from old legends and myths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caius Cassius Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Well, some elements come from Norse Mythology, but it's a basis for most fantasy (LotR was also heavily influenced). Although I see specifically the Wagnerian verse elements with some twists. Lady walks into husband's funeral pyre - instead of the entire cast dying in an apocalyptic doom, suddenly dragons! Twincest (with the woman having an asshole husband) - instead of a dragonslayer with a powerhouse voice, we get King Twat and two decent kids. Frustrated dwarf wants revenge - check. Trickster character associated with fire - check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 ASOIAF is a story, not a puzzle box. This is what I hate about all the theorycrafting stuff. People are combing the text for obscure clues so they can solve some mystery embedded in the text, rather than trying to enjoy the story as a story. ASOIAF is not a retelling of Norse mythology, Howland Reed is not the High Septon, and Euron is not Daario (or the smokey woman). It sounds like this forum might be not be the best place you to be spending your time then... ASOIAF is ABSOLUTELY a retelling of Norse Mythology... Howland Reed probably is the High Septon... Why, because these forums which are controlled by GRRM tried so hard to squash the idea Mance Rayder probably is Rhaegar Targaryen... Why, because these forums which are controlled by GRRM tried so hard to squash the idea In GRRM's world, all things trend toward more intrigue... So if you have a doubt about something, the correct answer is probably the more intriguing one... --- With your attitude, my advice is to just go ahead & skip the rest of the series... you won't like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoip Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 So, Hodor is the son of the dusky woman and the great other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraeth Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Sorry if this has been discussed previously - but I have read a GREAT theory (http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html) about how ASOIAF could be following Norse mythology about the end of days.... and while I disagree with some of the small things, I think it makes sense that GRRM (who dislikes neat good vs. bad stories) to go directly against what we are expecting to happen... and have the people we have been routing against since the first book end up being the saviors of humanity SPOILERS TO FOLLOW: Where did we leave off after ADWD? Dany has sworn "fire and blood" and has the Westeros equivalent of WMD oin Drogon... Jon was stabbed by his "family"... and could be going all UnCat.... Bran is in the dark, might have eaten his friend, and is working with a group that mankind has driven almost to extinction dar Jaime has saved Brienne, turned his back on his evil sister, and generally tryng to be a better person... Walder Frey guards the quickest path between the north and the rest of Westeros for when the others start attacking... What does everyone think? The link above goes into far more depth than I have here, but Jaime being the one-handed savior of mankind would be quite the twist... as would Azor Ahai (Jon) being a bad guy (the world destroyer in Norse myth, Surtr, carriers a flaming sword and destroys the barrier between the world of man and the other realms (ie - the wall) I have found tons of similarities with the Slavic myths in the Song, non of which are about turning the story upside down... However, I don't think that mythology will be the guidance for GRRM, and expect that some character changes are in order - I also think Jaime will play a significant role in the war with the WW, but more due to his ongoing character change and the realisation of the whole realm that who will sit the IT is insignificant when facing the total annihilation. I believe that many characters will have to grow up and start thinking about the common good, not just what's good for themselves. In order to survive many will have to change their selfish ways. So far, only Jon has thought of feeding and preparing an army to meet the Others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Loner... A Rebel Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 So far, only Jon has thought of feeding and preparing an army to meet the Others... and now he is (most likely) dead.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraeth Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 and now he is (most likely) dead.... Well, nobody's perfect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitering Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I also think it's pretty clear that the Night's Watch will fail, in a darkly hilarious way to meet the threat for which they were formed to face. Likely the Children/Singers are aligned with or have a non aggression pact with the Others. That fits into Norse mythology as told by Marvel Studios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avernite Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If anyone's Hel, why not Stoneheart or Arya (who lives in the house of the many-faced-god, which is also a god of death)? They seem more immediately fitting, if fitting it must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Inc Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Howland Reed probably is the High Septon... Why, because these forums which are controlled by GRRM tried so hard to squash the idea Mance Rayder probably is Rhaegar Targaryen... Why, because these forums which are controlled by GRRM tried so hard to squash the idea . You couldn't really possibly believe any of that? Mance is Rhaegar ??😂😂😂The Howland Reed thing is full of very big gaping holes and was presented as nothing more than a fun what if theory... You're not suppose to actually believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasmusF Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 You couldn't really possibly believe any of that? Mance is Rhaegar ??The Howland Reed thing is full of very big gaping holes and was presented as nothing more than a fun what if theory... You're not suppose to actually believe it. I think he was being sarcastic. GRRM did, I believe, dispel the notion that the High Sparrow is anyone but the High Sparrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasmusF Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I also think it's pretty clear that the Night's Watch will fail, in a darkly hilarious way to meet the threat for which they were formed to face. Likely the Children/Singers are aligned with or have a non aggression pact with the Others. That fits into Norse mythology as told by Marvel Studios. The first part I think is true. The second part seems to be contradicted by Bran's entry into Bloodraven's cave. The Singers seem like they are hiding out from men and the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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