TheLightning Lord Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 just wondering because i have seen numerous posts arguing that this person or that person in meereen are obviously treacherous and will definitely betray dany/barristan, if they haven't been working against her already (for example the identity of harpy, poisoned locusts) these characters generally include the likes of green grace, skahaz, reznak, hizdahr.. even some more outlandish theories including daario and missandei so who the hell was it ? TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Greeh Grace is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I don't think Daario is a stretch. She sent him away as a hostage. There's a chance he's pissed enough about that to work against her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Almost everybody, though for different motives and tied to different parties. As to the Harpy, that's the Green Grace. 99.99%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Almost everybody, though for different motives and tied to different parties. Quite right. The real question is who is truly loyal to Dany and who just looks loyal because he is afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of dragonstone Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Green grace is the harpy.I'd rant about why she's the harpy but no doubt these threads have lots of posts like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightning Lord Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Green grace is the harpy.I'd rant about why she's the harpy but no doubt these threads have lots of posts like this. search function isn't working for me, which is why i started the thread so where is all this overwhelming evidence that the green grace is the harpy ? TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewyn Lannister Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I saw a pretty good post on asoiafuniversity outlining all of the Shavepate's machinations: what he stands to gain from poisoning Dany/Hizdair, how he is manipulating Barristan (this seems obvious anyway, even if everything else on him proves false), and how he is going to have himself a very red coup d'etat w/ the nobility of Mereene duing the ensuing Battle of Fire. This post put him on a tier, or right below, Littlefinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewyn Lannister Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Accidental double post. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewyn Lannister Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Accidental TRIPLE post. Rlly sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of dragonstone Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 search function isn't working for me, which is why i started the thread so where is all this overwhelming evidence that the green grace is the harpy ? TIAThe harpy is actually a women. Talking about the statue.Daenerys children hostages were meant to be used as a way to stop the harpy but it didn't work. This is cause the killings did stop but daenerys told the GG she wouldn't kill them, killings resume. This is because she needed to know dany wouldn't kill them, because two of her kin were cupbearers.She jumps from helping dany to helping the nobility. She also doesn't seem to support daenerys's causeShe seems to have knowledge of whose been killed before been told herself. By giving her counsel she's allowed to hear what daenerys plans and can therefore exploit her weakness.And the marriage to hizdhar was arranged by her, and the agreement was to stop the killings. She arranged it then stopped the killings.This was all I could find on short term notice but there is a bit more to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 green grace but wouldnt be shocked if it was the shaveplate as some suggested or grmm flips the script and it was strong belwas the whole time ...dun dun dun!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Storm Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Pretty much everyone other than barristan, missandei, and the unsullied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawn Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Barristan learns of Aegon or of Jon's true parentage. He leaves to fight for the better claiment in his opinion. That would be quite a betrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 It is not betrayal if you mutter "mayhaps" under your breath after pledging loyalty. Presumably, that is what everybody in Mereen is doing. Think of how much trouble Dany could have avoided if she had hung out with a few Freys when she was younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I think that the Green Grace is the Harpy, and Skahaz is with her, and they plan that Skahaz makes Dany fall, when Dany is ended then they won't reveal the identity of the Harpy and Skahaz will take over Meereen. But it's only a plan, they all will be dragonflamed.Also I can imagine that Hizdahr is against Dany too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Barristan learns of Aegon or of Jon's true parentage. He leaves to fight for the better claiment in his opinion. That would be quite a betrayal. A betrayal for his love for... Ashara Dayne. Crackpot, I know, but it would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 A betrayal for his love for... Ashara Dayne. Crackpot, I know, but it would be cool.Betrayal for love will happen when rhaegal either leaves daenerys to be aegon's mount or when rhaegal leaves aegon to return to dany cause he's still a mama's boy. Cause the undying said it will be three treasons she will know, not treasons people will commit against her.Answering OP shavepate poisoned the locusts but green grace is the harpy. Their her two main betrayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night's Princess Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Barristan, Belwas, Missandei, the Unsullied, Daario... Basically the people she brought with her were the only ones she could trust even a little. I'm fairly sure all the Meereenese hated her, even those she freed after she married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urrathon Moonsinger Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 just wondering because i have seen numerous posts arguing that this person or that person in meereen are obviously treacherous and will definitely betray dany/barristan, if they haven't been working against her already (for example the identity of harpy, poisoned locusts) these characters generally include the likes of green grace, skahaz, reznak, hizdahr.. even some more outlandish theories including daario and missandei so who the hell was it ? TIA I think it's Daario. I don't buy the Euron=Daario theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if Daario is an agent of Euron (and if not him, then someone else) undermining Dany in Mereen to make her more vulnerable to a strong suitor. He's betraying her for gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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