The scourge of westeros Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 lately I've been throwing around the idea that the glass candles like the one Sam sees in marwyn's chamber are actually the material that the legendary lightbringer comes from. The glass candle Sam views is "3feet tall and slender as a sword" Sam, affc. Sam also notices the strange things the candle does to light... It seems to amplify light and the colors in the immediate environment around it. The candle seems to be not be able to be extinguished even when marwyn slams the door and a gust of air blows past... Whatever causes the candles to glow in the first place, can not be extinguished by human efforts. Obviously the glass candle is incandescent, and for there to be light heat would need to also be present. Aemon's observation that stannis's "lightbringer" does not generate heat, was what made him know it wasn't the true sword of heroes as proclaimed, but a glamour. When Sam asks marwyn,"what makes the flame," marwyn says that all valyrian sorcery is based in fire and blood which sounds like the tempering process that the legend claims lightbringer went through. So... We have a glowing, heat radiating object that is already shaped like a sword, is sword length, does strange things to light, burns but is not consumed, and its origin is based in fire and blood sorcery, and... it's sitting right in front of Sam. I'm convinced at this point that we have already seen lightbringer without even realizing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random girl from westeros Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The scourge of westeros Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Not bad.I thought that when you step back and really look at the similarities it's the best contender in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangII Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I would like to believe Lightbringer is not a sword, per se, but something else. But, if it truly is a sword, it would probably will be made of glass candle. Nice work, OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingInTheBrothel Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Yolk Boy and Lady Gwyn, in their podcast (sorry, I don't recall if it's their theory or if they're mentioning someone else's), suggest that Light Bringer may not be a glass candle, per se, but have many of the same properties--able to communicate over vast distances, flaming, radiates light, etc--because a 100% obsidian blade would break too easily.I'm inclined to believe something along these lines. If Light Bringer IS a sword, it would certainly be a game changer against the Others if it had all/most of the qualities of a glass candle as well as being a potent weapon (and those qualities alone would make it such, minus being brittle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 There are hundreds of glass candles if not thousands... No they are not light bringer I agree with your last point though that we have already seen Lightbringer and no it's not glass candles but those that gave the power to the glass candles in the first and made them work again..DRagons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah.jenice Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The glass candles are just candles made from obsidian, which does kill the Others, but as Drogonthedread pointed out, there's tons of obsidian in Westeros. Maester Luwin even had obsidian arrowheads in his supplies at Winterfell."Dragonglass," Osha named it as she sat down beside Luwin, bandagings in hand."Obsidian," Maester Luwin insisted, holding out his wounded arm. "Forged in the fires of the gods, far below the earth. The children of the forest hunted with that, thousands of years ago. The children worked no metal. (snip) In place of swords, they carried blades of obsidian.""And still do." (Osha)- AGoT, Ch. 66, Bran VII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Mae Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Lightbringer was the first Valyrian steel sword. I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel, Gendry just needs to figure out how the steel was made in the first place. If he has to temper it in Arya's little torso, then so be it. Though I believe the sacrifice should be forcing the families who owned VS weapons to surrender them to the night watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Lightbringer was the first Valyrian steel sword. I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel, Gendry just needs to figure out how the steel was made in the first place. If he has to temper it in Arya's little torso, then so be it. Though I believe the sacrifice should be forcing the families who owned VS weapons to surrender them to the night watch.Dragons are called as flaming swords in ADWd by xaro..Dragons are fire made flesh always gives warmth and heat just like lightbringer ...and they have been birthed by the sacrifices of dany's husband and child In ADWD Jon reads a tale of AA fighting a monster and how when he thrusts the lightbringer in the head of the monster his head bursts into flame and eyes melts and ran down ...a word by word match for the description of the what dany did in Astopor using drogon to kraznys ..When stannis pulls the fake lightbringer from the idol in fire ...patchface sings that under the sea flames are black blue green which is exact match to the colors of flames of dany's dragons ..And needless to say they are the fiery sword that was pulled out of the pyre by dany under the bleeding star .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The scourge of westeros Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 The glass candles are just candles made from obsidian, which does kill the Others, but as Drogonthedread pointed out, there's tons of obsidian in Westeros. Maester Luwin even had obsidian arrowheads in his supplies at Winterfell.true, but not all dragonglass has the properties of a glass candle. Also not all dragon glass has been imbued with the sorcery of old valyria, which always seems to boil down to fire and blood sacrifice. You know... Kind of like how all serpents are snakes, but not all snakes are serpents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The scourge of westeros Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Dragons are called as flaming swords in ADWd by xaro..Dragons are fire made flesh always gives warmth and heat just like lightbringer ...and they have been birthed by the sacrifices of dany's husband and child In ADWD Jon reads a tale of AA fighting a monster and how when he thrusts the lightbringer in the head of the monster his head bursts into flame and eyes melts and ran down ...a word by word match for the description of the what dany did in Astopor using drogon to kraznys ..When stannis pulls the fake lightbringer from the idol in fire ...patchface sings that under the sea flames are black blue green which is exact match to the colors of flames of dany's dragons ..And needless to say they are the fiery sword that was pulled out of the pyre by dany under the bleeding star ..so would you propose the original Azor Ahai to have been a dragon rider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 so would you propose the original Azor Ahai to have been a dragon rider?Who cam say that with certainity ...there may have been the dragons ...we learn that dragons were been in westeros before targs came and we know that a girl with mpnkey tail prayed for the sun to come up after long night ....a girl with monkey tail can certainly be a refference to a dragon rider ... I give you what is present in the five books till now....every description books lightbringer in the books matches the dragons ..am not making that up.And one should not forget that the reason why glasscandles are working now is because of dany's dragons .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The scourge of westeros Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Hmmm... Could be a one, two punch sorta thing; whereas they're both closely related in the prophecy/battles to come. As you say, who knows, the books we have at hand allow us only to speculate without all the connections made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon2908 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I thought Dawn is Lightbringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Mae Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Dragons are called as flaming swords in ADWd by xaro..Dragons are fire made flesh always gives warmth and heat just like lightbringer ...and they have been birthed by the sacrifices of dany's husband and child In ADWD Jon reads a tale of AA fighting a monster and how when he thrusts the lightbringer in the head of the monster his head bursts into flame and eyes melts and ran down ...a word by word match for the description of the what dany did in Astopor using drogon to kraznys ..When stannis pulls the fake lightbringer from the idol in fire ...patchface sings that under the sea flames are black blue green which is exact match to the colors of flames of dany's dragons ..And needless to say they are the fiery sword that was pulled out of the pyre by dany under the bleeding star ..I too believe the dragons are lightbringer. It makes more sense than an actual sword. What can one sword do against a horde of the Undead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The scourge of westeros Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 I too believe the dragons are lightbringer. It makes more sense than an actual sword. What can one sword do against a horde of the Undead. just as someone stated above, there are many glass candles throughout the world of ice and fire. A single sword(lightbringer) wouldn't be much use to the war of the dawn itself, but like the books tell us, there are actually many. In addition, everyone thinks that dragons are lightbringe yet even the world book noted dragons had a hard time flying in heavy rains. That doesn't seem to be something that should bother dragons all that much if in fact they were to be lightbringer. Lightbringer is intimately connected with the long night, and dragons being grounded during heavy rain doesn't sound promising against the others and the winds of winter. Just saying... We now have evidence that dragons do have weak points in their military applications. im not saying dragons could not be lightbringer, but at the same time, I'm not nearly as positive as others about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuteman Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I believe that the raising of the Wall is what ended the Long Night and it required a blood sacrifice to be constructed. So the Wall is Lightbringer and Bran the Builder and Azor Ahai are the same person in different tales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyPiesForSkagos Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 If the glass candles are really simply obisian, I would doubt that they make for good swords. Obsidian can be incredibly sharp, but it is brittle. So, what would happen, if such a glass candle sword hits a hard object? It would simply shatter. Doesn't seem very desireable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The scourge of westeros Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 If the glass candles are really simply obisian, I would doubt that they make for good swords. Obsidian can be incredibly sharp, but it is brittle. So, what would happen, if such a glass candle sword hits a hard object? It would simply shatter. Doesn't seem very desireable.on the contrary they seem to be a magically charged or special form of dragonglass/obsidian. Not all dragonglass has the same qualities as those described of the glass cradle in marwyn's chamber at the end of affc. Marwyn said glass candles are dragon glass infused with the sorcery of fire and blood; somewhat tieing in with the forging of lightbringer. If a glass candle or glass candles are revealed to be the basis of lightbringer it would actually be one of the more obvious clues in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The scourge of westeros Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 If the glass candles are really simply obisian, I would doubt that they make for good swords. Obsidian can be incredibly sharp, but it is brittle. So, what would happen, if such a glass candle sword hits a hard object? It would simply shatter. Doesn't seem very desireable.like I said, by no means so I discount the popular theories of what might be lightbringer. I'm just simply pointing out that we have a very almost literal similar description of an object we currently know of in the books. It could be right under our noses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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