Another Stab at the WOIAF Stark tree timeline - Part 2.

[Macgregor of the North]

This is an extensive piece so here is an edited version of The World book Stark tree to accompany it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7apr38pc94ucvpi/TREE%202.png?dl=0

 

I'm interested in Family trees, timelines, births, deaths, and general history so I wanted to try a couple of pieces on the Stark tree in the World book. This piece Follows the line If Cregan waits for a while before having children again after Mariah being born 140AC.

For this piece and piece 1 I have previously done to work I am going to assume that the MUSH date for Cregans birth in 108AC is correct, and if it's not 100% correct it surely can't be far off. It is quite believable actually as he goes to fight in the dance of the dragons which runs from 129-131AC. So I think MUSH assumes his son Rickon is born 128AC with Arra norrey possibly dying in childbirth so with an heir in place although no wife left, and the anticipation of Winter Coming, his obligations and desire to fight in the Targaryen war occupy his mind and off he goes.

I also must mention I am set on 212 as the date of Berons death on the understanding he receives the wound in 212AC and it is a serious wound which finishes him relatively quickly. George has mentioned he is "fading fast" in an SSM. Other things said in an SSM are that he envisions the She-wolve novella 1.5years after The Sworn Sword, and since TSS & TMK are both set in 211AC that means TSS is set earlier in 211AC so with a 1.5year gap we have a very real possibility of being in 212AC. Also at the beginning of TMK D&E have already heard Beron has sent out calls for aid and are already on their way to WF so Beron has to have been under threat from the Ironborn as early as early-mid 211AC which gives the remainder of that year and the year 212AC itself to be wounded and be dying then die.

(Note, many of this is assumed and as it's impossible to say exact ages of when characters have their 1st child I think I'll go by a four year gap of when they are from 16-20 in most cases where they live a bit longer and have more than one child etc. for arguments sake).

70-72AC: Future Lord of WF Benjen Stark is born.

88-92AC: Future Lord of WF Rickon Stark 1st born son of Lord Benjen Stark and Lady Lysa Locke is born.

90-92AC: Bennard Stark 2nd son of Lord Benjen Stark and Lady Lysa Locke is born.

108AC: Future Lord of WF Cregan Stark only son born to Lord Rickon Stark and Lady Gilliane Glover in WF.

110-118AC: Bennard Stark and Margaret Karstark Marry and have three sons.

1. Benjen

2. Brandon

3. Elric

125-128AC: Betrothal and marriage of Cregan Stark to Arra Norrey of the mountain clans.

128AC: Rickon Stark only son born to Cregan Stark and Arra Norrey. (Arra Norrey possible death in the birthing bed).

129-131AC: The Dance of the Dragons- The Targaryen succession war. Cregan goes south to fight for the Blacks but is denied the opportunity. He very briefly served as hand to Aegon III Targaryen, dispensing justice in Kings Landing before returning North. Before returning Cregan secures a second bride- Alysanne "Black Aly" Blackwood, a famed fighter for the Blacks in the Dance.

130-135AC: A harsh Winter grips Westeros.

132-140AC: Lord Cregan and Black Aly have four daughters. Sarra, Alys, Raya and Mariah. Mariah being born in 140AC.

Note: I wonder if Cregan and Aly spend time at the Blackwood home in the Riverlands while heading North to WF as the 130-135AC winter by all accounts is described as awful. The Riverlands my not be affected as bad as the North and travelling may be difficult. This could actually see some of their children born in the South. Just a thought.

148AC: Rickon Stark 20 years old.

144AC-150AC: Rickon Stark betrothal and marriage to Jeyne Manderly and birth of two daughters Serena and Sansa.

1. Serena Stark likely born 146-148AC.

2. Sansa Stark likely born 148-150AC.

This is piece two of two on Stark timelines and this one will follow the path of Cregan Stark having children with third wife Lynara Stark a while after the birth of his last daughter Mariah(140AC). I think Cregan has always desired a good handful of sons and possible heirs to secure the future of the Stark line in WF which is why he kept trying with Black Aly for more but kept getting girls. I see him taking a wee break now and keeping a close eye on his son Rickons union with Jeyne Manderly to see if that produces sons. Unfortunately this only produces more girls for the Starks, two daughters Serena(Born 146-148AC) and Sansa(Born 148-150AC).

Here I now see Cregan motivated to secure more sons for the Stark line so he marries again this time to a relative Lynara Stark(around 150AC) and they get to work securing the Starks line immediately.

Lynara Stark could be a child of one of Bennards sons, most likely Benjen. She could also just be another Stark from other Starks as she does not connect to any of the sons on the family tree.

150-162AC: Birth of five children from Lord Cregan Stark and third wife Lady Lynara Stark.

1. Future Lord of WF Jonnel "one eye" Stark.

2. Edric Stark

3. Lyanna Stark

4. Future Lord Barthogan "Barth Blacksword" Stark.

5. Future Lord Brandon Stark. Likely born 160-162AC.

　

157-161AC: Death of Rickon Stark 1st born son and heir of Cregan Stark in Sunspear fighting in the conquest of Dorne for Daeron I Targaryen.

162-166AC: Betrothal and marriage of Serena Stark to Jon Umber. Ends with no issue. Possible young death of Jon Umber.

168-170AC: Betrothal and marriage of Jonnel One-eye Stark to Robyn Ryswell. No issue. Possible death of Robyn and maybe an infant in the birthing bed? Or a fertility issue with either?.

170-174AC: Betrothal and marriage of Jonnel One-eye Stark to Sansa Stark. No issue. Another red flag for a possible fertility issue with Jonnel.

170-174AC: Betrothal and marriage of Edric Stark to Serena Stark. Produces four children from possibly 172-178AC.

1. Cregard & Torrhen (Twins).

2. Arrana.

3. Aregelle.

Late 180'sAC: Old man of the North Cregan Stark dies. 1st son Jonnel becomes Lord. After 2nd son Edric has his children he dies young(find out how and when) or there is some other circumstance arises that prevents him being Lord.It happens Before Lord Jonnel's death i'm sure. And Jonnels death follows after. Possibly in fighting. Could be against Skagossi, wildlings, or other foe from the realm?-(try and find out).

This sees Cregans fourth son to Lynara, Barthogan Blacksword Stark become Lord. Passing over everybody from Serena and Edrics line. Not sure if the twins are alive at this time, it is believed they die young men. Note:- Edric never serves as Lord so WF probably rules in favour of Barth over anybody from Edrics line, or Serena herself as Barth is next son in line from Lord Cregan and in times of rebellion and troubles etc. he would be looked on as a strong leader.

Barthogan himself should be around 30 by now. Has no wife. No children. An insane name. Can only imagine he is a wild wolf more interested in arms and wars.

Barthogan Blacksword is confirmed to have died in a Skagossi rebellion which took place during the reign of Daeron II Targaryen who ruled from 184-209AC.

I am absolutely certain Barth dies in this either just before the turn of the century or early in the next and is succeeded by his younger brother Brandon, 5th son of Cregan Stark and Lynara.

Note: The twins of Serena and Edric should feature here with a claim shout before Brandon but they don't- another reason to make me believe they are dead by now.

This Lord Brandon Stark likely born 160-162AC.

Has a bastard with Wylla Fenn named Lonnel "Lonny" Snow possibly young at 15/16. Is then Betrothed and married to Alys Karstark 178-80AC. They have three children.

1.Rodwell Born possibly 178-80AC

2. Beron Born possibly 179-181AC

3. Arsa.

Note Beron dies 212AC In his 30s.

Beron possible birth 179-181AC.

I'll put a small table here showing Beron birth and death age possibilities.

Born 174AC-Dies 212AC Age: 38

Born 175AC-Dies 212AC Age: 37

Born 176AC-Dies 212AC Age: 36

Born 177AC-Dies 212AC Age: 35

Born 178AC-Dies 212AC Age: 34.

Born 179AC-Dies 212AC Age: 33

Born 180AC-Dies 212AC Age: 32

Born 181AC-Dies 212AC Age: 31

I have highlighted the ages that work with this timeline piece I am doing.(part 2)

Rodwell could be born around 178-180AC.

If so this could see Rodwell reach an age classed as ready for lordship around 194-196AC probably.

There is stories of Stark Lords dying in quick succession and its evident when we look at what facts we have. We have stated Barth dies from Skagossi rebellion, I think definitely either just before the end of the 100'sAC or pretty early in the 200'sAC. From here we see Brandon become Lord, then Rodwell, then Beron up until his death in 212AC. I'm sure Beron had a few years as Lord but it is damn near impossible to give anything other than wild guesses at what times exactly the lords before Beron died. But we have Rodwell of age to be Lord around 194-196AC so upon Brandon's death he is ready to take up the Lordship.

194/6 - 2__??AC: Within this time frame Rodwell marries Myriame Manderly. Has no issue. Becomes Lord for a short time after Brandon's death. Dies, unclear how. His Brother Beron becomes Lord. And things could get a bit more stable in the Stark camp for a time with the Skagossi rebellion put down and Beron maybe being Lord for a while but it depends on time of Rodwells death.

Reasons for Brandon and Rodwell dying could also be Skagossi troubles.

If as stated above is true about Serenas children's birth years we can see them come to late teen age to marriage age around 190-194AC. The twins possibly die young men with no issue.(Im sure ive read this, Find source, Find age). And the girls Arrana and Aregelle are married to Osric Umber and Robard Cerwyn respectively.This is interesting because this could have both Arrana and Aregelle's children being of quite a mature age in 212AC and Serena could be causing quite a fuss for Arrana and Osric Umbers child to become Lord "IF" it's a son. Or if Aregelle and Robard Cerwyn has a son?. Serena actually has a good point seeing as her line descends straight from Cregans 1st son Rickon. However, I can't see the Starks in WF going for a Lord born with an Umber name or a Cerwyn name, or having/letting any kind of female run the show and call the shots completely at WF as we see Donnor then Willam become Lord after Beron dies from wounds from fighting Dagon's Ironborn. Note on the twins Cregard and Torrhen I'm going to put their birth around 172AC.

Berons marriage, Lordship and children next.

It's tricky picking an age of birth for Beron but I'll try and keep it open from 179-181AC.

If Beron born 179-181AC he could have his 7 children between 195-212AC.

I assume Beron should be alarmed at how much Starks have died and how much heirs are actually in place that he marries and consummates with Lorra Royce ASAP(not Canon and could start as late as 199/200AC). This actually binds a great Southern first men house to the Stark cause at a time where I'm sure it's the Skagossi who are causing major headaches and possibly other foes also.

Beron and Lorras children:

1. Donnor Stark- born possibly 195-199AC

2. Willam Stark- born possibly 197-201AC

3. Artos "The Implacable" Stark born possibly around 199-203AC

4. Berena Stark

5. Alysanne Stark

6. Errold Stark

7. Rodrik "The Wandering Wolf" Stark born a bit later than his first three brothers around 207-211AC maybe?.

I believe Donnor dies relatively young only being Lord for a short time after his father Beron, find a source of time and cause of death.Reasons??. His age at his fathers death possibly 13-17. The succession struggle could see Donnor become Lord after much debate even if he is to young(his age is debatable), provided Serena and the other "She-Wolves"can have a massive say in the governing of WF. I can only imagine his mother Lorra, Myriame Manderly and also Alys Karstark(his Grandmother) speak up in his favour with them being the wives of Beron, Berons Brother and Berons Father and this whole She-Wolves debacle is between the three women I have just mentioned on Donnors side and Serena and Sansa Stark along with Serenas line on Serenas side. What may happen next is that Donnor may wish to avenge his father even in his youth and ride off to try and finish off the Ironborn reavers but perish doing so. If the twins of Serena were still alive at this point I could see Serena trying again to place the oldest Cregard ahead of next son of Berons, Willam, but the twins if they haven’t been killed earlier already could have ridden off with young Lord Donnor and perished alongside him making it much easier to place Willlam as Lord.

Note on Donnor and Willam: I actually have no evidence or facts backing up Donnors early demise but I feel it to be true and the fact he dies without issue may back my view up slightly even though that in itself is by no means evidence of a young death. If we look at Donnor from different angles here- if he becomes Lord to young, then Willam is also to young being at least a year younger than Donnor. So if we see Donnor die very soon after his father and Willam then becomes Lord then this only works well with the way I worked out my timeline in Part 1 where upon Berons death Donnor and Willam are both old enough for Lordship.(this is part 2.). If we go by Donnor being to young but is governed by older relatives until he comes of age he could still come of age in a couple of years, rule as Lord in his own right for a short while and still perish young. So if we say he ruled for a short while perhaps a few years then we have his younger brother Willam being now old enough to be Lord himself upon Donnors death whenever that is and WF may be more inclined to follow Willam upon Donnors death. Who knows he could be a different young man entirely from Donnor and show awesome leadership qualities or excellent warrior skills. Or he may even have had his son Brandon with Lyanne glover by this time and Willam then becomes a greater candidate for becoming Lord now as he is old enough, and has his own son and heir in place which is more than Donnor could offer to the table at the time of the original succession debate.

Note on the twins Cregard and Torrhen: I think they could possibly play an interesting part if they are alive at the time of 212AC but it is likely they are not. By that time they would have been around 40 years old and a much better prospect for Lordship than a young Donnor but they never have children so that points to a death in their youth possibly, by some other troubles maybe possibly the Skaggosi who were the rebellious bunch before Dagon and his crew. In the event that they are alive by the era of the succession, like I said they could be killed by the ironborn making it easier to place Donnor then Willam on the Lords seat, or the Great Spring sickness may have got them in 209-210AC?. To be honest my bet is they died earlier, could be a result of a fever/chill or sickness in infancy but I lean toward a death fighting the Skaggosi as young men, without issue and Serenas firepower she tries to use in her argument is herself, her daughters Arrana and Aregelle and the issue from their marriages to Osric Umber and Robard Cerwyn.

There is massive debate over the content of the next D&E Novella and rightly so. The story which sees them come to WF amidst succession squabbles involving a number of very feisty females of House Stark who have earned themselves the label "She-Wolves" is a very very interesting topic.

We have Lord Beron dying from wounds taken by fighting against an Ironborn uprising led by Dagon Greyjoy.(212AC).

Now back to timeline.

197-201AC: Willam born.

213-217AC: Betrothed and married to Lyanne Glover. 1st Son Brandon born. Death of Lyanne glover in birthing bed. Arrival of Old Nan as wet nurse for Brandon.

Note: This timeline has a higher possibility that Old Nan arrives in WF after D&E have been there which may rule out the possibility that Dunk and Nan are our kissers in front of the Weirwood tree. I was once a great fan of this theory, i still am as such but part of me thinks because every other vision involves at least one Stark it makes sense this one should to and Nan and Dunk are not Starks(i do think the pregnant woman is a Stark or Stark wife and the man cutting the branches is Brandon snow). I still believe that Nan and Dunk could have had children though. Even if they are not the ones kissing its a possibility still. WF could offer D&E a roof over their heads for a while for their help in the fighting against the Ironborn and they could still be there when Nan arrives but thats a different story for another time.

Back to timeline.

This has Willam lose his father. His Older brother Donnor. And his son Brandon in relatively quick succession also while watching his family around him(mainly the feisty she wolves) argue and test the families loyalty and unity with an ugly succession struggle. We can now begin to imagine how close this is going to pull remaining members of Berons children closer together. Namely Willam and his younger brother- The very very interesting Artos "The Implacable" Stark.

213-2--AC: Willam Stark possibly becomes Lord of WF as early as 213-214AC if Donnor dies so quickly after his father Beron, although Its most likely later and most certainly when hes old enough which could be as late as 217AC. Sometime after the death of his son Brandon 216-220AC His Family encourage him to Marry again for heirs and to see him happy again.

216-20AC - 226AC: Betrothal and Marriage of Lord Willam Stark to Melantha Blackwood. Birth of 1st child, a son, Edwyle. Birth of second child, a daughter, Jocelyn.

215-223AC: Betrothal and marriage of Artos "The Implacable" Stark to Lysara Karstark and the birth of their twin sons Brandon and Benjen.

226AC: Battle of Long Lake. Wildlings breach the Wall and invade the realm United under King beyond the wall Raymun Redbeard. Lord Willam Stark marches to Long Lake to deal with the threat. Is slain by Raymun. His younger brother Artos avenges his death and kills Raymun and the Stark forces along with Umber bannermen put an end to the Wildling invasion.

226AC: Under Artos orders, Willams son Edwyle, even in his extreme youth, will still be the next Lord of WF. Until he comes of age Artos will govern as Regent. I mentioned the closeness built up between the brothers Willam and Artos over family loss and I firmly believe this is what moves Artos to hold Willams son Edwyles place as Lord and going by his name, reputation, and the whole vibe I get from this character I think nobody is going against this man’s decision and he decides to take Edwyle and Jocelyn under his wing and raise them).

Here is notes I had on Artos and thoughts on his name and character:

Definition of Implacable- apply it to Artos decisions at this time.

adjective

1. unable to be appeased or placated.

"he was an implacable enemy of Ted's"

synonyms: unappeasable, unpacifiable, unplacatable, unmollifiable, unforgiving, unsparing, grudge-holding; More

o unable to be stopped; relentless.

"the implacable advance of the enemy"

Could this relate to how Artos was so set in his ways, so unappeasable, so relentless to stick to his guns on supporting Willams re marrying to have a son who lived to adulthood to succeed him as Lord. Even more so after avenging his brothers death and taking Edwyle under his wing to groom and nurture him for lordship. Even to the point of risking the wrath of his own wife who may have had high hopes Artos became Lord, making herself Lady of WF and possibly the scorn of his own sons in the future, nobody could tell him otherwise, he was absolutely implacable in this.

This affection and solid dedication to his older brother and head of the family, as well as his battle achievements which saw him slay Raymun and end the wildling threat and his obvious leadership qualities in keeping the house in order while schooling and preparing Edwyle for lordship has in my eyes, as well as the Starks eyes firmly cemented his place in Winterfells crypts alongside the Kings of winter of old and the Lords of Winterfell.

226AC-227AC: A now older Rodrik leaves WF and begins his travels. Now that the Wildling threat is over, a very capable Artos is governing in Edwyles name and Artos has sons of his own should heirs be needed for WF. I see Rodrik feeling he has no sense of duty at WF but to help Artos but seeing as Artos is more than capable and he has support from the rest of WF Rodrik sets off to see the world beyond. When I think of Rodrik It makes me think of the GOT Telltales character Asher Forrester. Although there stories are different it's interesting to have a visual on a Northerner in Essos. Funnily enough Ashers brother is named Rodrik.

231-236AC: A terrible Winter grips Westeros. After this winter subsides Rodrik returns home to WF after travelling and a spell with the Second Sons.

236-240AC: Artos and Rodrik search for suitors for marriage to Artos' twins Brandon & Benjen, Willams son Lord Edwyle and his daughter Jocelyn.

240-242AC: Lord Edwyle Stark is betrothed and married to Marna Locke of Old castle and their son the future Lord Rickard Stark is born.

238-244AC: Rodrik Stark meets and marries Arya Flint of the Mountain Clans(Possibly meets Arya while searching for suitors for Edwyle, Jocelyn and Artos' twins in the mountains, this is just a cheeky little side theory ive read somewhere and I love the way it was written). They have two daughters.1. Branda and 2. Lyarra.

240-244AC: Jocelyn Stark is betrothed and married to Benedict Royce of the Vale.

260-262AC: Branda Stark is betrothed and married to Harrold Rogers of the Stormlands.

262AC: Brandon Stark 1st child and son of Rickard Stark and Lyarra Stark born.

263AC: Eddard "Ned" Stark 2nd child and son of Rickard and Lyarra Stark born.

264-265AC: Catelyn Tully of Riverrun born.

266/267AC: Lyanna Stark 3rd child and daughter of Rickard and Lyarra Stark born.

267-268AC: Benjen Stark 4th child and son of Rickard and Lyarra Stark born.

270AC: Brandon Stark fostered at Barrowtown with House Dustin.

271AC: Eddard "Ned" Stark fostered at The Eyrie in The Vale with Lord Jon Arryn where he befriends lifelong friend and brother like figure Robert Baratheon.

276AC: The Wiki States that Brandon Stark is betrothed to Catelyn Tully. She is 12 at the time.

281AC: The tourney at Harrenhal. All the Stark children attend. Along with Jon Arryn, Robert Baratheon and Howland Reed.

281-282AC: Brandon learns of sister Lyannas disappearance involving Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. He rides to Kings Landing immediately accompanied by his squire Ethan Glover, Jeffory Mallister, Kyle Royce and Elbert Arryn before managing to seal his marriage pact to Catelyn Tully leaving Lord Hoster Tully incensed.

He arrives at Kings Landing demanding combat with Prince Rhaegar. Is arrested and held while Mad King Aerys Targaryen calls for Brandon's father Rickard and his companions fathers to answer for their sons crimes.

282AC: Lord Rickard heads for Kings Landing. Death of Lord Rickard Stark and Brandon Stark. Eddard "Ned" Stark becomes Lord.

282-283AC: Roberts Rebellion. Ned and Catelyn Tully marry. Lyannas Death at the tower of Joy. Birth of Jon Snow. Birth of Robb Stark.

283-284AC: It is believed Benjen Stark leaves for the Wall and joins the Nights Watch.

286AC: Birth of Sansa Stark 2nd child of Ned & Cat.

289AC: Birth of Arya Stark 3rd child of Ned & Cat.

This year also saw another Greyjoy uprising led by Balon Greyjoy. Ned called his banners to aid Robert and together they crushed it and made the Greyjoys bend the knee.

290AC: Birth of Brandon "Bran" Stark 4th child of Ned & Cat.

295AC: Birth of Rickon Stark 5th child of Ned & Cat.

298AC: While returning from Ned beheading a deserter of the Nights Watch the Stark children find and claim for their own, 6 Direwolve pups. Robb- Grey wind. Jon Snow- Ghost. Sansa-Lady. Arya-Nymeria. Bran-Summer and Rickon-Shaggy dog.

298-300AC: Ned becomes hand of the king.

Attempted murder of Bran Stark by Jaime Lannister at WF leaving Bran crippled. Jon Snow leaves for the Wall and joins the nights watch. Sansa and Arya accompany Ned to Kings Landing. Sansa Stark betrothed to Joffrey Baratheon. Death of Ned. Robb Stark becomes Lord of WF. Onset of the War of the five Kings. Robb proclaimed King in the North by his bannermen and King of the Trident by River Lord Allies. Betrothal and Marriage of Sansa Stark to Tyrion "the Imp" Lannister. Robb Stark marries Jeyne Westerling. Death of Robb Stark. Death of Catelyn. Sack of WF. Escape of WF of Bran & Rickon. Bran goes beyond the wall with Hodor, Jojen & Meera Reed to seek the Three eyed crow. Rickon is believed to have travelled to Skagos with Wildling girl Osha. Sansa and Arya's escape of Kings Landing. Sansa is at the Vale of Arryn under the care of Petyr Baelish. Arya eventually gained passage to Braavos by ship and is under the tutelage of The Faceless Men. Jon Snow becomes Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. Attempted murder of Jon Snow.

Status of the six Stark Direwolves.

Ghost(Jon)- Alive, locked up at the Wall, unable to protect Jon during assassination attempt.

Grey wind(Robb)- Killed alongside Robb.

Lady(Sansa)- Killed by Ned on the order of Queen Cersei and a reluctant King Robert.

Nymeria(Arya)- Alive, grown to a monstrous size roaming the Riverlands with a huge pack.

Summer(Bran)- Alive, ever at Brans side as a protector and Skin for Brans Warg capabilities.

Shaggy dog(Rickon)- Alive, at Rickons side on his travels.

　

Any thoughts or corrections welcome.

[Macgregor of the North]

After another re read of this I see the text is actually massive. I'm going to create another edited Stark tree image from the book with dates etc. for quick reference, I'll post it when I have time later. These dates worked out a bit smoother than Part.1 so this may be closer to George's vision.

[The Wondering Wolf]

 

Yeah, that's the one I prefer.

Maybe you can add a possible period for Black Aly's death.

19 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said:

161AC: Death of Rickon Stark 1st born son and heir of Cregan Stark in Sunspear fighting in the conquest of Dorne for Daeron I Targaryen.

According to MUSH, Rickon died in 157 AC. But even without this information I think we can conclude that he didn't die later than 158 AC. Rickon died outside of Sunspear, and the Submission of Sunspear took place in 158 AC.

19 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said:

264AC: Catelyn Tully of Riverrun born.

I would change it to 264/265 AC.

19 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said:

276AC: The Wiki States that Brandon Stark is betrothed to Catelyn Tully. She is 12 at the time.

The date is based on Catelyn's year of birth, so 276/277 AC would be more accurate.

19 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said:

281-282AC: Brandon learns of sister Lyannas disappearance involving Prince Rhaegar Targaryen.

Lyanna's "abduction" took place in 282 AC.

 

[Macgregor of the North]

2 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

 

Yeah, that's the one I prefer.

Maybe you can add a possible period for Black Aly's death.

According to MUSH, Rickon died in 157 AC. But even without this information I think we can conclude that he didn't die later than 158 AC. Rickon died outside of Sunspear, and the Submission of Sunspear took place in 158 AC.

I would change it to 264/265 AC.

The date is based on Catelyn's year of birth, so 276/277 AC would be more accurate.

Lyanna's "abduction" took place in 282 AC.

 

Hi Wondering Wolf.

I think MUSH States Black Alys death is 146 if I remember right. Could be? I will look more into it. Remember MUSH is not Canon.

My basis on Rickons death is that he died in one of the final battles and the conquest wrapped up in 161AC. 

im only going by the Wiki on Catelyn. it never affected the calculations so I was happy with it. 

Thanks for the year on Lyanna. Who's to say Rhaegar definitely abducted her? When he happened across her she may well have went willingly? Calling it a disappearance keeps things open. Abduction sounds so final and matter of fact when that's not so.

Cheers for commenting though, this timeline ran better and if that's the only big inconsistencies you see so far I'm quite pleased with that actually. 

 

 

[The Wondering Wolf]

3 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said:

My basis on Rickons death is that he died in one of the final battles and the conquest wrapped up in 161AC.

Yes, but there was no known battle outside of Sunspear in the last years (just Oakenfist descending once again upon the Planky Town and the Greenblood and Daeron I winning some small victories fighting through the Boneway), just during the Conquest itself. So apparently Yandel uses "Conquest of Dorne" as term for the period, when Daeron I conquered the region in 157 and 158 AC. Maybe you can change the date of Rickon's death to 157 - 161.

The calculation for Catelyn was changed a few days ago. Rhaenys_Targaryen is doing a great job with her project, but sometimes even she gets things wrong.

3 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said:

Who's to say Rhaegar definitely abducted her? When he happened across her she may well have went willingly? Calling it a disappearance keeps things open. Abduction sounds so final and matter of fact when that's not so.

I used abduction because it was one in the eyes of Westeros. Since I don't believe in an abduction, I wrote "abduction".

And I don't see any big inconsistencies at all.

[Macgregor of the North]

19 minutes ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

Yes, but there was no known battle outside of Sunspear in the last years (just Oakenfist descending once again upon the Planky Town and the Greenblood again and Daeron I winning some small victories fighting through the Boneway), just during the Conquest itself. So apparently Yandel uses "Conquest of Dorne" as term for the period, when Daeron I conquered the region in 157 and 158 AC. Maybe you can change the date of Rickon's death to 157 - 161.

The calculation for Catelyn was changed a few days ago. Rhaenys_Targaryen is doing a great job with her project, but sometimes even she gets things wrong.

I used abduction because it was one in the eyes of Westeros. Since I don't believe in an abduction, I wrote "abduction".

And I don't see any big inconsistencies at all.

Ok Wolf I'm cool with that I'll change Rickons date. And I'll change Cats. Which project are you talking about of Rhaenys_Targaryen? Could you enlighten me please? 

And cheers for the comments. I've enjoyed doing this. I'm looking forward to editing a tree with dates and when all is settled after the books have came out and all the info we can get has come out I'm gonna come back to these pieces to see how close I've come. 

[The Wondering Wolf]

2 hours ago, Macgregor of the North said:

Which project are you talking about of Rhaenys_Targaryen? Could you enlighten me please? 

Rhaenys_Targaryen is the user doing all the calculation stuff. Here is the thread for her project.

And as I said, I love discussing the historical Starks, so thanks for giving me the opportunity.

[Macgregor of the North]

13 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

Rhaenys_Targaryen is the user doing all the calculation stuff. Here is the thread for her project.

And as I said, I love discussing the historical Starks, so thanks for giving me the opportunity.

Cheers for the Link Wondering Wolf.

i wonder what project I will do next myself. Maybe I will stray from the North and dabble in some Targaryen history. Although I can't seem to drag myself away from Stark and WF history. I have been pondering who Is the woman kissing in Brans vision as I'm leaning more to it being a Stark woman now instead of Nan but I'm not sure. And I still think about the pregnant revenge seeker although I can't elaborate to much more than I already have on my thread I done earlier on it. I may return to it and edit it as my views have changed a bit on ages and years I think.

[Macgregor of the North]

Here is a link to an edited version of the World Book Stark tree to accompany this piece.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7apr38pc94ucvpi/TREE%202.png?dl=0