One-eyed Misbehavin Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Is there any chance Varys can fight with some crazy style or at the least is capable of defending himself? I'm not going to go far with this but he did "do anything it took to survive" after his man part cut. The only physical confrontation that I can think of involving varys was with Jamie and tactically varys was at a gigantic disadvantage it wouldn't have been very smart to engage Jamie mf lanny when he is already cutting you with a blade. Varys could have easily been holding out on us this whole time. His best friend was a Bravossi water dancer who did not die. That is better than a lot of other Bravossi water dancers. I could just see him surprising us with martial skill it wouldn't be out of character and he is bald a very important quality for a monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, One-eyed Misbehavin said: Is there any chance Varys can fight with some crazy style or at the least is capable of defending himself? I'm not going to go far with this but he did "do anything it took to survive" after his man part cut. The only physical confrontation that I can think of involving varys was with Jamie and tactically varys was at a gigantic disadvantage it wouldn't have been very smart to engage Jamie mf lanny when he is already cutting you with a blade. Varys could have easily been holding out on us this whole time. His best friend was a Bravossi water dancer who did not die. That is better than a lot of other Bravossi water dancers. I could just see him surprising us with martial skill it wouldn't be out of character and he is bald a very important quality for a monk IT is called a crossbow and he used it. He probably has some physical skill. He played a keep guard and Rungen for years. He had to be able to look the part at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 His equivalents are the warriors on the Quiet Isle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dames do Moan Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Daendrew said: His equivalents are the warriors on the Quiet Isle. Damn, I was thinking maybe he was ok physically but you think he is as good of a warrior as Sandor Clegane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 7 hours ago, The Dames do Moan said: Damn, I was thinking maybe he was ok physically but you think he is as good of a warrior as Sandor Clegane? Are you asking me if Varys is as good a fighter as Sandor Clegane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Varys's martial arts skills are surpassed only by Lady Olenna's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasallmaechtigeJ Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 So, your conclusion is Varys could be a shaolin-like monk because he is bald? So far we have no proof that Varys has had any martial training whatsoever, so him fighting in what you call "crazy style" is at least unlikely. On the other hand, we do not know a lot about him, but what w do now is that he is described as fat and soft. He might hide some muscles somewhere, but I am quite sure we can agree he is not extraordinarily fit. Since he grew up a thief on the street and played beggars and guards though, you can at least assume that he can at least hold his own in a fight, although it is an entirely different question if he could take on a trained knight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Light a wight tonight said: Varys's martial arts skills are surpassed only by Lady Olenna's. The trouble with that is that Varys can't hide a razor under his weave like Olenna and the ladies of women's penitentiaries can. So while it's relatively evenly matched, it's tipped toward the side of Lady Olenna. Don't get me wrong, Vary's has lots of pockets in his sleeves. I just can't say for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester of Valyria Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 It would not suprise me if Varys had brought some Eastern fighting style over from Essos, although I doubt that he's stronger than most men (no testosterone or puberty after all). He also probably has a few small blades secreted on his person. This is all a far cry from being able to take on a trained knight, like Sandor. 3 minutes ago, Daendrew said: The trouble with that is that Varys can't hide a razor under his weave like Olenna and the ladies of women's penitentiaries can. So while it's relatively evenly matched, it's tipped toward the side of Lady Olenna. Wait hold on: has this discussion moved to whether Varys would win against Olenna?!? (Varys, obviously ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Maester of Valyria said: Wait hold on: has this discussion moved to whether Varys would win against Olenna?!? (Varys, obviously ) There is something fishy about your support for Varys rather than the rightful Queen Grandmother of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. It's almost as treasonous as supporting the Black Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion Chainbreaker Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, Daendrew said: There is something fishy about your support for Varys rather than the rightful Queen Grandmother of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. It's almost as treasonous as supporting the Black Dragon. As far as we know, Olena has a kill count of 2. Varys surpasses that on his average work day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Victarion Chainbreaker said: As far as we know, Olena has a kill count of 2. Varys surpasses that on his average work day. Because the horses of high lords just walk over mountain cliffs all the time... to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion Chainbreaker Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, Daendrew said: Because the horses of high lords just walk over mountain cliffs all the time... to be sure. The Tyrells are descended from the Gardeners through the female line. That's First Men blood and that horse was WARGED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dames do Moan Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Daendrew said: Are you asking me if Varys is as good a fighter as Sandor Clegane? You said Vary's equivalents were were the Warriors on the QI? I thought you meant he was equivalent to Sandor. Or maybe Sandor with a leg injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, The Dames do Moan said: You said Vary's equivalents were were the Warriors on the QI? I thought you meant he was equivalent to Sandor. Or maybe Sandor with a leg injury. Knights of the QI are in some way equivalent. Quiet like Zen meditation and labor. If you talk to someone who went to live at a Zen monestary they are invariably shocked that most of their day is not spent meditating but peeling potatoes etc. etc. ZenCast is a fantastic podcast to learn more about it. It's amazing overall. The Warrior's Son's haven't seemed so contemplative as of yet. The Varys stuff was just joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 He could have easily learned how to efficiently kill people. I think a lot of you are just counting him out bc of the ACT he put on in KL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester of Valyria Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 On 23/04/2016 at 4:49 PM, Daendrew said: There is something fishy about your support for Varys rather than the rightful Queen Grandmother of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. It's almost as treasonous as supporting the Black Dragon. Varys is presumably faster, more mobile, and has scores of little urchins with knives who can slip into locked bedchambers easily. Not that he'd want to kill her of course: they are old lovers, as evidenced by that scene in the show where she makes a joke about the non-existent bumping against the decrepit On 23/04/2016 at 5:09 PM, Victarion Chainbreaker said: The Tyrells are descended from the Gardeners through the female line. That's First Men blood and that horse was WARGED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Maester of Valyria said: Varys is presumably faster, more mobile, and has scores of little urchins with knives who can slip into locked bedchambers easily. Not that he'd want to kill her of course: they are old lovers, as evidenced by that scene in the show where she makes a joke about the non-existent bumping against the decrepit My son, Lord Puff Fish can deal with a few street urchins. Pisshhhhhh. We have the largest army, largest economy and we are the second richest family. Against what? Who has the balls to stop us? Hmm? Pray tell. Varys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 On April 23, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Dorian Martell said: IT is called a crossbow and he used it. He probably has some physical skill. He played a keep guard and Rungen for years. He had to be able to look the part at least I'm just saying he could have been holding back his martial skills. He would have killed Kevin either way with all his weird little helpers. Can you see him being able to fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eyed Misbehavin Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 On April 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Daendrew said: The trouble with that is that Varys can't hide a razor under his weave like Olenna and the ladies of women's penitentiaries can. So while it's relatively evenly matched, it's tipped toward the side of Lady Olenna. Don't get me wrong, Vary's has lots of pockets in his sleeves. I just can't say for sure. No telling what he keeps in all those pockets. Rhaegars rubies, horn of joraman, kraken horn, Ser illyns tongue, Robs will, R+L=J, valyrian steel armor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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