Evolett Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 9/7/2022 at 4:41 PM, Seams said: "Ferrous" is a word meaning "containing or consisting of iron". What if "cruciferous" is one of GRRM's wordplay clues meaning "iron cross"? When swords clash, they create an iron cross. But the "Ser Criston Cole" anagram also may give us a hint that "cross loci" (cross locations) can create other kinds of entrances - enter cross loci. This would explain why jousting tourneys seem to symbolize clashes over succession to the throne, resolution of other power struggles or conferring of special powers. When "iron crosses" occur (crossed swords) the victors of those conflicts gain the power to enter the Otherworld. (In Celtic mythology, mortal heroes are often drawn into the Underworld to resolve conflicts among the gods.) My mind is still a bunch of unordered thoughts on this but I do think you are right. So here goes: I suspect twins (including symbolic twins) are important to solving the puzzle (two hills, two breasts, two turnips). Robb Stark entered the underworld at the crossing of the Twins. Consider Big Walder and Little Walder. They aren't twin brothers but the confusion GRRM has created regarding their naming and size (the big one is little and the little one is big) makes them symbolic twins. They are Big/Little and Little/Big. Whether they clash swords or not is unknown to us but they do cross paths at that precise location, the entrance to the underworld of the crypts, with Big Walder winning the competition for the entrance. Noteworthy: Rickon takes the Walder boys into the crypts after losing the lord of the crossing game. We can also think of the crossing swords in terms of an X. In our world, the "X" of course marks a location. Side note: Inn at the Crossroads, crossroads form an X and are believed to be a portal to the otherworld. Walder Frey's bridge and the river form a X. Seems like a good clue for locating such crossings. Next clue I've indentified: Erryk and Arryk Cargyle, twin brothers who actually cross swords but both die. The duel took place on Dragonstone. Does their dying mean Dragonstone is not a location for a crossing? I looked up the name Cargyle and guess what? The crest of an historic Cargyle family (Celtic. Pictish-Scottish, some of whom relocated to Ireland) contains a prominent X symbol. I'm yet to familiarize myself with their history but its interesting that there is a Symon in their lineage. The current Erryk and Arryk twins (Hobber and Slobber) are Lady Olenna's guards and if I recall correctly, they accompanied her to Highgarden. Perhaps Highgarden will be the location of a significant battle/fight involving the two. Maybe this identifies Highgarden as a new important location? Pennytree between the two hills is also a symbolic X crossing, if we imagine the tree cut down and lying between the hills. Jamie, a twin, arrives there and solves the issues between Bracken and Blackwood, meets Hildy who offers him her turnips and feels strangely attracted to her. Brienne arrives. Is Brienne Jamie's symbolic twin? Jamie's two horses are named Honor and Glory. I think these represent Brienne and Cersei respectively and Jamie appears to ride Honor rather than Glory. My guess is Stoneheart will command them to fight. (Their situation reminds me of the circumstances of the duel between Jon Snow and the Halfhand. ). Anyway, the location: Inn at the Crossroads. Like Erryk and Arryk, Brienne and Jamie also fall into the kingsguard category. Could it be that kingsguard can cross barriers because they are also meant to defend kings from or returning from the underworld? Brienne's king Renly returns from the underworld. Jamie sent Aerys to the underworld.. Hmm. Just a thought. Now consider this: Arthur Dayne and Ned Stark cross swords at the Tower of Joy, not just any swords. It's Dawn and Ice that cross each other. Ned wins and takes custody of the possible "promised prince" who since he was "promised by prophecy," may be a returnee from the underworld. If the crossing of these particular swords mark the tower of joy as an entrance or exit to the underworld, then we have three kingsguard knights defending this crossing. With Rhaegar dead and the Targs ousted, what might Arthur have done with Jon if he had won? Taken him to be brought up at Starfall and declare him a Dayne bastard? Killed him? Why was Ned more "worthy" of bring up Jon than Arthur? Are Arthur and Ned symbolic twins? The twin connection does suggest Dawn and Ice are twin swords. That we have only one tower at this location contrasts the two towers of the Twins. Not sure why this is significant but I think it is. The Hightower is one tower and a Hightower kingsguard was present. In the Knight of the Laughing Tree story the dishonorable knights are a pitchfork knight, a porcupine knight and the knight of the two towers (the twins). Jon and Edric (Ned) Dayne are "milk-brothers," twins in spirit so to speak or "milk twins" if you like. If my theory regarding the transfer of ancestral souls through breast milk is correct, then Jon and Edric share the same ancestral soul, probably the same soul Ned has on account of the naming. I'll reserve my speculation on Jon's "spritual father" for another day. 14 hours ago, Evolett said: A cook's boy named Turnip participates in the game as well, losing to Little Walder. According to the appendix, Turnip is a pot girl and scullion (seems to be some mistake in the text) Perhaps Turnip being a boy and a girl is deliberate, alluding to the "twin" turnips. Criston Cole the Kingmaker and symbolic cabbage: Turnips, beets and onions are cruciferous veggies but they are root vegetables that grow underground, thus their association with the underworld most probably. But the cabbage is different. It grows above ground. Jon is symbolically sheltered by a cabbage leaf. Since Ned hides Jon in plain sight (above ground), is Ned the symbolic cabbage and Kingmaker? Seams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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