New Kingdoms/Principalities/Provinces of Westeros

[astarkchoice]

25 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

the ironborn vs the dothraki would an interesting fight, particularly as both sides have archers

It be interesting as  the ironborn dont have many archers nor horses to chase the dothraki off esp if comming off a boat BUT if the dothraki dont run off and harass and hold their ground their unarmoured asses will meet giants like vic.or andrik the unsmiling whod be in full plate ! Then theres the fun of the  ironborn fondness for throwing axes meeting unarmoured dothraki bodies!

 

More than likely cooler heads would prevail and theyd back off any beach with dothraki spotted nearby at daytime...until nightfall then land further up the coast and maybe catch the horselords in camp!

[Alden Rothack]

13 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

It be interesting as  the ironborn dont have many archers nor horses to chase the dothraki off esp if comming off a boat BUT if the dothraki dont run off and harass and hold their ground their unarmoured asses will meet giants like vic.or andrik the unsmiling whod be in full plate ! Then theres the fun of the  ironborn fondness for throwing axes meeting unarmoured dothraki bodies!

they lack horse but I wouldn't be surprised if they have a decent number of archers

 

More than likely cooler heads would prevail and theyd back off any beach with dothraki spotted nearby at daytime...until nightfall then land further up the coast and maybe catch the horselords in camp!

the dothraki are among those who deserve something like that

[astarkchoice]

1 hour ago, Alden Rothack said:

the dothraki are among those who deserve something like that

I have a feeling dany will exterminate them.virtualy.

Shel.burn their captial to the ground leavingnthem with no anchor to their rotten culture.

If free cities and slavers bay become anti slavery they wont be welcome anywhere

[Alden Rothack]

6 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

I have a feeling dany will exterminate them.virtualy.

Shel.burn their captial to the ground leavingnthem with no anchor to their rotten culture.

If free cities and slavers bay become anti slavery they wont be welcome anywhere

I wish her the luck of it

slavery will make monsters out of saints and planetos as nne of the latter to begin with

[BlackLightning]

On 4/1/2024 at 2:42 PM, KingoftheRiversandtheHills said:

I whole heartedly believe that adding new centralized bases of control in certain areas would greatly increase the safety of the Crownlands. For example making Dragonstone, Driftmark, and part of Cracklaw's Point into an actual principality, ruled by the prince of Dragonstone.

This is not such a bad idea. The Prince of Dragonstone already rules Dragonstone, Driftmark and the other islands of Blackwater Bay. Giving them part of Crackclaw Point would do nothing.

On 4/1/2024 at 2:42 PM, KingoftheRiversandtheHills said:

Another can be made out of the Dornish Marches in the Stormlands, with the houses sworn directly to the would be Prince of Summerhall. In addition, creating a force like the Gold Cloaks, but out of men-at-arms sworn to the various noble house, for each principality would be great (I don’t think summerhall needs it that much). Another force can be created to patrol the rest of the Crownlands and be sworn directly to the King.

This is a bad -- or at least risky -- idea. Creating a principality out of the Dornish Marches under the control of the Prince of Summerhall is basically stealing the Lords of Storm's End of (arguably) their most powerful vassals. To do so would invite a lot of conflict.

You might as well place a royal in the Gift, give him control over the Gift and make him the Prince of Queenscrown.

On 4/1/2024 at 2:42 PM, KingoftheRiversandtheHills said:

Also, taking some territory out of the jurisdiction of Harrenhal and putting underneath the Kings direct control would greatly help the Crownlands in term of food and wealth to help fund this effort.  Third, would be making a province by conquering the Stepstones and Tyrosh, and giving it to a third son. What do you guys think?

Harrenhal has come under the control of the Iron Throne more than once but again...not sure if it's a great idea. The Iron Throne has more than enough funds; the problem is that they were terribly mismanaged and fumbled by Robert, Cersei, Littlefinger and the rest of the Small Council.

Making a province out of the Stepstones would be expensive (as in you need to commission a new fleet just to protect the islands and enforce the law after its conquest) but doable. It's a good idea. But Tyrosh? No way.

[KingoftheRiversandtheHills]

On 4/5/2024 at 10:33 AM, BlackLightning said:

This is a bad -- or at least risky -- idea. Creating a principality out of the Dornish Marches under the control of the Prince of Summerhall is basically stealing the Lords of Storm's End of (arguably) their most powerful vassals. To do so would invite a lot of conflict.

You might as well place a royal in the Gift, give him control over the Gift and make him the Prince of Queenscrown.

When you put it like that, then yeah it's a pretty bad idea lmao. I have to agree with you there. 

On 4/5/2024 at 10:33 AM, BlackLightning said:

Harrenhal has come under the control of the Iron Throne more than once but again...not sure if it's a great idea. The Iron Throne has more than enough funds; the problem is that they were terribly mismanaged and fumbled by Robert, Cersei, Littlefinger and the rest of the Small Council.

 

I think Harrenhall would be a good idea because the funds are only half of the problem. It's the food which is really important. With the Riverlands not supplying the food to Kingslanding while under siege, the Iron throne had to depend on the Tyrells for food and that cost the crown a marriage and made them appear weak. And it wouldn't be the whole of Harrenhal, it would be just a part of it. 

 

On 4/5/2024 at 10:33 AM, BlackLightning said:

Making a province out of the Stepstones would be expensive (as in you need to commission a new fleet just to protect the islands and enforce the law after its conquest) but doable. It's a good idea. But Tyrosh? No way.

I don't think it would be a bad idea if you go after it the "correct" way. If Westeros reconquered the Stepstones then the Three Whores could be provoked into attacking. Defeating them and conquering Tyrosh would be easy in comparison. It would endear you to the Iron Islands because they can reave, and would make good use of the Redwyne, Manderly, Lannister, and of course the Royal fleets. Wars are costly but they can be profitable if you go about it the right way. it could give the Iron Throne enough wealth to start some much needed projects despite how well the funds they already have are managed. 

Edited April 8 by KingoftheRiversandtheHills
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[astarkchoice]

9 hours ago, KingoftheRiversandtheHills said:

I don't think it would be a bad idea if you go after it the "correct" way. If Westeros reconquered the Stepstones then the Three Whores could be provoked into attacking. Defeating them and conquering Tyrosh would be easy in comparison. It would endear you to the Iron Islands because they can reave, and would make good use of the Redwyne, Manderly, Lannister, and of course the Royal fleets. Wars are costly but they can be profitable if you go about it the right way. it could give the Iron Throne enough wealth to start some much needed projects despite how well the funds they already have are managed. 

The steptones themselves are stony and harsh so there are only 2  options 1) they will only sustain  is eithet a few dozen  landed knights at best OR 2) occupy tyrosh utterly and use the cash flowing in from it to cover the cost of the fleet needed to keep the other 2 'sisters'  at bay and the islands clean of pirate infestations.

Now that.assumes the other free cities stay out and even then the wealth of those 3 can buy sufficent selllsails ,slave troopers, assasins and sellsword companies to give extremely stiff resistance eve  against a united westeros.

 

That said tyrosh has been sacked before despite its desription of high walls and thick inner walls (although this may have been by deceptiom to open the gates etc)

Edited April 8 by astarkchoice

[KingoftheRiversandtheHills]

On 4/8/2024 at 5:08 AM, astarkchoice said:

The steptones themselves are stony and harsh so there are only 2  options 1) they will only sustain  is eithet a few dozen  landed knights at best OR 2) occupy tyrosh utterly and use the cash flowing in from it to cover the cost of the fleet needed to keep the other 2 'sisters'  at bay and the islands clean of pirate infestations.

Now that.assumes the other free cities stay out and even then the wealth of those 3 can buy sufficent selllsails ,slave troopers, assasins and sellsword companies to give extremely stiff resistance eve  against a united westeros.

 

That said tyrosh has been sacked before despite its desription of high walls and thick inner walls (although this may have been by deceptiom to open the gates etc)

Scenario 2 is exactly what I was thinking of after Tyrosh, Mar, Lys, and maybe Volantis attack the Westeros controlled stepstones. Until then, the crown can tax a fee for crossing the stepstones and ships in the north of the narrow sea wouldn't have to worry about pirates as much so Braavos and Pentos would stay out of it. However, the Stepstones can sustain more than a few dozen knights as there are a lot of pirates that call the stepstones home. 

[astarkchoice]

16 hours ago, KingoftheRiversandtheHills said:

Scenario 2 is exactly what I was thinking of after Tyrosh, Mar, Lys, and maybe Volantis attack the Westeros controlled stepstones. Until then, the crown can tax a fee for crossing the stepstones and ships in the north of the narrow sea wouldn't have to worry about pirates as much so Braavos and Pentos would stay out of it. However, the Stepstones can sustain more than a few dozen knights as there are a lot of pirates that call the stepstones home. 

Hmm if volantis get involved it could make it a nightmare to occupy let alone hold! After bravos they are the strongest free city power.

 

Yeah they can sustain pirates who prey on shiping, honest lords cant be doing that. Without piracy its pretty barren like the islands arounddragonstone.

Edited April 10 by astarkchoice