snake Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Why on earth would anyone include Jorah in a top 20? He's 'average' and 'capable.' Nothing special at all. Because he's good at killing. He's been fighting his whole life and his distinguished himself on the battlefield where it counts. Besides, Daario says that he's a very dangerous man and Daario would know fighters because that's his job. Anyways, who would you suggest are twenty better fighters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Again: He's described as average and capable. twenty better fighters off the top of my head: Barristan Jaime Garlan Loras Gregor Sandor Blackfish Strongboar Bronn Khal Drogo Belwas Syrio Jason Mallister Greatjon Umber Victarion Greyjoy Andrik the Unsmiling Qhorin Halfhand Darkstar Areo Hotah Oberyn Martell Daario says he's dangerous, yes. And? Being 'dangerous' doesn't mean 'top 20 material', especially if you're only on a capable level in your hometown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oba Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Again: He's described as average and capable. Well, sort of. When Jorah is describing his victory in the tourney at Lannisport, he tells her that while he "fight as well as any man" he has never been a tourney knight. One can certainly argue that he was referring to his skill with a lance, and not his overall capability as a fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagorkan_ Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Anybody know how that ASOIAF RPG ranks them? Attributes and stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Again: He's described as average and capable. twenty better fighters off the top of my head: Barristan Jaime Garlan Loras Gregor Sandor Blackfish Strongboar Bronn Khal Drogo Belwas Syrio Jason Mallister Greatjon Umber Victarion Greyjoy Andrik the Unsmiling Qhorin Halfhand Darkstar Areo Hotah Oberyn Martell Daario says he's dangerous, yes. And? Being 'dangerous' doesn't mean 'top 20 material', especially if you're only on a capable level in your hometown. jesus...i didn't even read the post right...nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearlessLeader Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I must question putting Darkstar and Blackfish on the list. We know that Blackfish is a great commander, and probably a fair fighter, but there's no indication that he's top 20 material. And we haven't seen Darkstar do anything but attack a little girl, and he failed even to do that properly, botching the job. There's no indication that he's really a competent fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagorkan_ Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Yeah. When the Prince of Dorne says he's dangerous... well he's dangerous for a Dornishman. Who like real life Hispanics are machos with self-inflated egos. Personally I think he's more probably dangerous to the maidenhoods of Sunspear than to anything else. To answer the original question I'd say in Westeros itself Loras Tyrell is probably the most skilled knight. Jaime Lannister admits he's afraid of him and would be even if he still had his right hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Who like real life Hispanics are machos with self-inflated egos. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Yeah. When the Prince of Dorne says he's dangerous... well he's dangerous for a Dornishman. Who like real life Hispanics are machos with self-inflated egos. Personally I think he's more probably dangerous to the maidenhoods of Sunspear than to anything else. To answer the original question I'd say in Westeros itself Loras Tyrell is probably the most skilled knight. Jaime Lannister admits he's afraid of him and would be even if he still had his right hand. i'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. loras is no match for a two handed jaime lannister; unless you are talking about jousting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Wow. yeah...i did a double take on that as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagorkan_ Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 i'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. loras is no match for a two handed jaime lannister; unless you are talking about jousting. I just finished AFFC and I'm sure Jaime disagreed. He's the best lancer but he's also acknowledged as the best swordsman in the Kingsguard. Cersei says that when she considers choosing a champion. You can talk about other knights, sellswords etc but then it's totally subjective you have no way to compare them to one another. And yes it all depends on the type of fight. What type of weapons they use, whether they're armored or unarmored, on horseback, if there are any 'knightly' rules etc. I'm assuming we're talking about the average knightly one-on-one duel to the death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearlessLeader Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Who like real life Hispanics are machos with self-inflated egos. This seems pretty racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I just finished AFFC and I'm sure Jaime disagreed. He's the best lancer but he's also acknowledged as the best swordsman in the Kingsguard. Cersei says that when she considers choosing a champion. You can talk about other knights, sellswords etc but then it's totally subjective you have no way to compare them to one another. And yes it all depends on the type of fight. What type of weapons they use, whether they're armored or unarmored, on horseback, if there are any 'knightly' rules etc. I'm assuming we're talking about the average knightly one-on-one duel to the death. yeah...one on one is what i'm talking about. as it stands now, of course, they are both fractions of what they used to be, but their personal situations aside; in a sword on sword duel, two handed jaime takes unburnt loras. i'll check AFfC when i get home for the quote you are talking about. i remember that he lauded loras with praise, but not jaime admitting that loras was better than he was in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagorkan_ Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 This seems pretty racist Wrong, it's a stereotype... Sometimes they're useful. Do you get upset every time you hear a stereotype? i'll check AFfC when i get home for the quote you are talking about. i remember that he lauded loras with praise, but not jaime admitting that loras was better than he was in his prime. I didn't say in his prime. I meant Jaime at his current age toward the end of FFC if he hadn't been thrown in a dungeon would still be challenged by Loras Tyrell. But you're right when you bring up him being burned. If we're talking about the characters at the very end of FFC/DWD then obviously both of them are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 we'll call it a throwaway match then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Well, sort of. When Jorah is describing his victory in the tourney at Lannisport, he tells her that while he "fight as well as any man" he has never been a tourney knight. One can certainly argue that he was referring to his skill with a lance, and not his overall capability as a fighter. Jorah is said to be 'capable, but not exceptional.' I would most certainly argue that was a textbook example of how a lady's favor on your arm affects your ability. Also, Loras admits Garlan is a superior swordsman to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Jorah is said to be 'capable, but not exceptional.' Where does it say that? All I ever read suggests that Ser Jorah was always respected for his prowess with a blade, even among Dothraki who mock people who fight with armour. And I would say Ser Jorah is as good as half the guys you listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesatria Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Yeah. When the Prince of Dorne says he's dangerous... well he's dangerous for a Dornishman. Who like real life Hispanics are machos with self-inflated egos. Personally I think he's more probably dangerous to the maidenhoods of Sunspear than to anything else. Actually, the Dornish have a reputation for being dangerous. & let's not forget the little fact that they were never conquered & have held their own against the Reach, which has a much bigger army. Hell, they defeated Aegon the Conquerer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Where does it say that? All I ever read suggests that Ser Jorah was always respected for his prowess with a blade, even among Dothraki who mock people who fight with armour. And I would say Ser Jorah is as good as half the guys you listed. I would say you're dead wrong. Jorah's victories are against eastern fighters mainly and one good showing in a tournament....that's a whole 'nother ball game. I couldn't give you the exact passage, but I distinctly recall it, btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornish prince Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Actually, the Dornish have a reputation for being dangerous. & let's not forget the little fact that they were never conquered & have held their own against the Reach, which has a much bigger army. Hell, they defeated Aegon the Conquerer! [drunk post] i'm totally with you on that Jes... how about everyone ask gregor clegane if he thinks the dornish are dangerous... doran is going to prove me right in the end as well...MWUAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!11!!![/drunk post] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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