Brandon Baratheon. Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Bingo. Kind of super excited for Reed's future appearance. where is he mentioned in the series so far cause i cant remember much about him besides who he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in the South Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I will be alot more angry if Ned is actually alive than if he's dead. Yeah it sucked when he died, but we've all moved on. Bringing him back as being alive this whole time would just ruin the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Malthred Storm Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 No matter what I am going to end up disappointed. Either my favorite character comes back to life---and ruins the purpose of the War of the Five Kings, or my favorite character remains dead (Which happens to just about all of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpigeonjr Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swaggering Bravo Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 This is incredibly amusing to see now that Dance has been released. I wonder if we'll be looking back at our current posts and find it amusing we ever thought that. Like Aegon being a Blackfyre, R + L = J, etc. Not saying those are wrong, but this was a good reminder that any and all speculation very well could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dena Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Ned is morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely, undeniably and reliably dead. IMO Ned would never stay hidden when his family is suffering and going to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted01 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 As much as I don't want Ned to come back, the OP made a good argument. I can see where they got the points from. Clearly, Ned hasn't come back in ADWD, unless I missed a massive part of the book, but it's always fun to hash out some crackpot theories. Just found it a bit funny that someone posted about baby Aegon not being dead at the beginning of this thread, and how sick they were of hearing such theories.. heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 As much as I don't want Ned to come back, the OP made a good argument. I can see where they got the points from. Clearly, Ned hasn't come back in ADWD, unless I missed a massive part of the book, but it's always fun to hash out some crackpot theories. Just found it a bit funny that someone posted about baby Aegon not being dead at the beginning of this thread, and how sick they were of hearing such theories.. heh. Eh, the argument was reaching at straws. It made all the deniers (those who think he is really dead) have to prove a bunch of negatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted01 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Eh, the argument was reaching at straws. It made all the deniers (those who think he is really dead) have to prove a bunch of negatives I was actually impressed at their first post, for how much information they'd gleaned for a theory that not a lot of people believe in. It takes balls to shout about your crackpot theories, we gotta give him that. Truth be told, when I first read AGOT I did spend quite a lot of time looking for clues that Ned wasn't actually dead, but acceptance soon came [insert 'okay face' here]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahimsa Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Speaking of Eddard, I was re-reading and got to thinking. Why is he so like a Stark? He didn't grow up at Winterfell, no one talks about his parents (or his father, more pointedly.) If anything, Eddard should act more like an Arryn than anything. Unless Westeros just skews far more to "nature" than "nurture." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Grylls of Skagos Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Speaking of Eddard, I was re-reading and got to thinking. Why is he so like a Stark? He didn't grow up at Winterfell, no one talks about his parents (or his father, more pointedly.) If anything, Eddard should act more like an Arryn than anything. Unless Westeros just skews far more to "nature" than "nurture." Why, he does act like Jon Arryn a lot . And BRandon was supposed to be a badass, Old kings of winter killed young boys they held as hostages and then there is "Ice Eyes" Stark Maybe Eddard's role model really is Jon rather than Rickard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Meth- Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 if i was a member here when this thread was made i'd have a good laugh... Ned is all bones now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossbeast Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I don't think it will, in the end, be true, but great theory! Interesting read and well (as could be) argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Lets stay on topic, folks. Just to look at the OP's question from a perspective outside the books: GRRM has personally and repeatedly cited Ned's execution as the moment that proved he was "playing for keeps" and that well-liked, central characters were not necessarily safe. It's one thing to then go on in the course of the series and provide the occasional fake-out or to resurrect someone as a horrific spirit of vengeance... but he staked a lot on noting the importance of Ned's execution as a fundamental part of the series. To then back track and say, "Just kidding!" about Ned is simply untenable. So, for that -- and for all the other reasons cited in the thread -- I think we'll just have to accept that Ned's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris999 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I know that things that happen on the TV series can't actually be counted at completely true within the realm of the books... But, if you watch Eddard's beheading, at the EXACT SECOND that his head is cut off, the camera points at the sky to show a flock of birds taking flight... read into that what you will, but does Eddard have a role to play later on in the skin of a bird? Is he going to communicate to Bran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris999 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I know that things that happen on the TV series can't actually be counted at completely true within the realm of the books... But, if you watch Eddard's beheading, at the EXACT SECOND that his head is cut off, the camera points at the sky to show a flock of birds taking flight... read into that what you will, but does Eddard have a role to play later on in the skin of a bird? Is he going to communicate to Bran? I'm quoting my post here to bump this thread. I was wondering if anybody else that saw the show noticed the intentional effort on the part of the producers to show a flock of birds taking flight the exact second that Ned's head hits the ground. I think that it is entirely possible that all Starks, including Ned have the ability to warg. It isnt that much of a stretch considering that all of his children are wargs. I think it has something to do with the strong blood of the First Men that is strong i the Stark family. I plan on pulling out the book today and look if the show is actually staying true to the book in this scene. If the book mentions the flock of birds, then I will have no choice but to take notice of a possible meaning to it. Why else would it be mentioned? I think that it would be bad writing for Ned to come back as himself, but I do think that it would be cool if he is living his "second life" as one of the birds, and that he will have something important that he wants to communicate. Jons's parents?... Or maybe a warning to his children about something Varys might have told him while he was in the dungeon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf2375 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'm quoting my post here to bump this thread. I was wondering if anybody else that saw the show noticed the intentional effort on the part of the producers to show a flock of birds taking flight the exact second that Ned's head hits the ground. I think that it is entirely possible that all Starks, including Ned have the ability to warg. It isnt that much of a stretch considering that all of his children are wargs. I think it has something to do with the strong blood of the First Men that is strong i the Stark family. A flock of birds flying away at a critical moment is not something specific to Ned being beheaded - it is done for dramatic effect in many instances in TV shows and movies when a shot rings out, a scream, etc. GRRM has confirmed that all of the Stark children are to greater or lesser extents wargs - their parents, not so much. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris999 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 A flock of birds flying away at a critical moment is not something specific to Ned being beheaded - it is done for dramatic effect in many instances in TV shows and movies when a shot rings out, a scream, etc. GRRM has confirmed that all of the Stark children are to greater or lesser extents wargs - their parents, not so much. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Fair enough. But GRRM could also be blowing smoke up our asses in order to keep his surprise a secret. How shocked would we be when we open up TWOW, and the first chapter has.... Eddard's name at the top for the POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beard Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 How shocked would we be when we open up TWOW, and the first chapter has.... Eddard's name at the top for the POV. If it was well written I would not be able to suppress the smile that would crawl across my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Fair enough. But GRRM could also be blowing smoke up our asses in order to keep his surprise a secret. How shocked would we be when we open up TWOW, and the first chapter has.... Eddard's name at the top for the POV. I can see a prologue at the Tower of Joy. That's about the only way I ever want to see Ned again in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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