Fireball07 Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Peter,Jorah fights only one of the Dothraki bloodriders, Qotho. Jorah is tough and isn't easy prey for anyone, so to speak, but Qotho had him dead to rights -- he would have died several times over if he hadn't had his armor, and it was only the mischance of Qotho's arakh getting stuck in Jorah's thigh that led to Jorah's victory.He's a capable, tough, experienced fighter. Not a great swordsman though, I expect.That's what I thought. I'd rate Dany's bloodriders higher than Jorah, tbh. Most likely Daario aswell, and the Titan's Bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter the Gun Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Peter,Jorah fights only one of the Dothraki bloodriders, Qotho. Jorah is tough and isn't easy prey for anyone, so to speak, but Qotho had him dead to rights -- he would have died several times over if he hadn't had his armor, and it was only the mischance of Qotho's arakh getting stuck in Jorah's thigh that led to Jorah's victory.He's a capable, tough, experienced fighter. Not a great swordsman though, I expect.ah yes, this sounds right. I've only listened to the audio book and this whole scene is really fast paced. You can hear that even Dotrice is excited about whats going on as hes reading. I never rewind cause the stuff happening is so critical to Dany's pov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefoot's Hand Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Hello, I've lurked a bit here but had to post because this subject interests me. I think Strong Belwas should get a little more love. Strong Belwas is a tremendous fighter who has spent most of his life fighting 1 vs. 1 to the death in slaver pits. He is so successful that the only wound he takes each fight he allows so he can keep track of how many kills he has. He is certainly an elite combatant which is demonstrated by Illyrio Mopatis sending him with Barristan to protect Dany. He destroyed the Mereenese champion who fought him at mounted advantage. In single combat I think the only character I think who have a chance against him are Gregor, Drogo, and a two handed Jaime. Two words: Liver and onions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter the Gun Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Hello, I've lurked a bit here but had to post because this subject interests me. I think Strong Belwas should get a little more love. Strong Belwas is a tremendous fighter who has spent most of his life fighting 1 vs. 1 to the death in slaver pits. He is so successful that the only wound he takes each fight he allows so he can keep track of how many kills he has. He is certainly an elite combatant which is demonstrated by Illyrio Mopatis sending him with Barristan to protect Dany. He destroyed the Mereenese champion who fought him at mounted advantage. In single combat I think the only character I think who have a chance against him are Gregor, Drogo, and a two handed Jaime. Two words: Liver and onions.Strong Belwas was my close second. From what we know, not from stories or presumptions, he is a fantastic and probably undefeated fighter. The only thing that made me pick Syrio over him, is that we don’t know how much experience he has fighting highly trained and skilled swordsmen. No doubt he defeated slaves, bears, and lions in the arena, probably many great warriors as well. He’s probably already fought, or at least seen someone fight against a mounted challenger as well. Its hard to say however, if he’s come across anyone as skilled as a First Sword of Bravos before. Against someone as fast and skilled as Syrio, it would be an amazing fight to see indeed. Honestly though, I'm just defending my choice, this one could easily go either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Actually he never said that. In fact, he said he might be able to kill him. And Bronn never over-estimates himself.Just to add, Cersei apparently thought that Bronn was a threat to beat Gregor. She made him a true knight and arranged his marriage to a high-born chic (Lollys) to prevent him from defending Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball07 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Hello, I've lurked a bit here but had to post because this subject interests me. I think Strong Belwas should get a little more love. Strong Belwas is a tremendous fighter who has spent most of his life fighting 1 vs. 1 to the death in slaver pits. He is so successful that the only wound he takes each fight he allows so he can keep track of how many kills he has. He is certainly an elite combatant which is demonstrated by Illyrio Mopatis sending him with Barristan to protect Dany. He destroyed the Mereenese champion who fought him at mounted advantage. In single combat I think the only character I think who have a chance against him are Gregor, Drogo, and a two handed Jaime. Two words: Liver and onions.Interesting....Drogo and not the Hound, Garlan, Barristan, Bronn, etc?I think his letting people cut him thing would hurt him against people like Bronn and the Hound who don't fight for show, as well as the Red Vipe who uses poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Changes Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Interesting....Drogo and not the Hound, Garlan, Barristan, Bronn, etc?I think his letting people cut him thing would hurt him against people like Bronn and the Hound who don't fight for show, as well as the Red Vipe who uses poison.I don't think it would, except the Viper. Bronn doesn't use a greatsword, but the Hound might be another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball07 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I don't think it would, except the Viper. Bronn doesn't use a greatsword, but the Hound might be another story.Bronn doesn't use poison but he's a ruthless killer and what hits he does make, he makes them count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esstarrioll Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I can't put an order on this, but:SyrioBronnJamieSandorBarristanGarlanBrienneSyrio is clearly an incredibly good swordsman. Using a wooden sword while unarmoured to defeat several mailed and helmeted opponents is beyond no mean feat- it would be legendary today as well. We don't see enough of him to know, but I believe him to be easily in the Top 3 (also evidenced by the fact that the Bravos are well regarded as mighty swordsmen, Ned says as much for hiring Syrio, and Syrio was THEIR best.) Also, they picked him to teach Arya, who is clearly being set up for taking a level or five in badass, as TV Tropes would put it.The others make themselves fairly self explanatory. Barristan was probably the best fifty years ago. Except for the other Kingsguard, as I am sure Dayne would have ripped him to pieces. Sandor is fearless except when faced with fire, which definitely helps. Brienne isn't as good as Jaime, but she slaughters most people. Jaime is in the top three back when he had two hands himself.Gregor is huge and a good warrior, but probably not the most amazing swordsman, or he would've had an even easier time with all his opponents. His raw physical prowess is what makes him so INSANELY good. He could be the 20th best *swordsmen* and still butcher 1-19 simply because a sword is not good for punching through ultra heavy plate, and because his reach makes it easier to land a blow on them- and ONE landed blow from someone who probably uses a claymore as a child's toy would cut you to pieces. Like a falchion, HIS weapon would have no trouble with their platemail.I'm undecided on who the other three could be, to be honest. There's lots of candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayOnPlaya Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I'd say 1. Bran without working legs 2. Sansa Stark 3. Maester Aemon 4. Myrcella Baratheon 5. Robert Arryn 6. Jaime without a hand 7. Lysa Arryn 8. Hot Pie 9. Tyrion(not Tyrion lannister but Bronn's son Tyrion) 10. Magister Illyrio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Changes Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I agree that Lysa is slightly better than Hot Pie at swordplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor Targaryen Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I'd say 1. Bran without working legs 2. Sansa Stark 3. Maester Aemon 4. Myrcella Baratheon 5. Robert Arryn 6. Jaime without a hand 7. Lysa Arryn 8. Hot Pie 9. Tyrion(not Tyrion lannister but Bronn's son Tyrion) 10. Magister IllyrioI disagree with Magister Illyrio on your list, i think Old Nan was a WAY better fighter than him and she should have the 10th spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor Targaryen Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 my opinion on the top 10 fighters(swordsman, spearman, axeman, whatever) based on skill not how good your armor is. 1. Syrio Forel 2. Strong Belwas 3. Ser Jaime Lannister(with 2 hands) 4. Ser Garlan Tyrell 5. Ser Barristian the Bold 6. Sandor Clegane 7. Howland Reed 8. Qhorin Halfhand 9. The Red Viper10. Jon Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esstarrioll Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Someone who agrees with me about Syrio! I dunno about the Red Viper with the sword, since the Dornish (particularly him prefer spears.) And I personally wouldn't put Jon Snow up- but I really should add Qhorin to the list! :)But, yes. Much love for Syrio. Anyone who can handle six armed and armoured men with a wooden sword, but lose ONLY because the last one is in plate--- deserves that honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball07 Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 my opinion on the top 10 fighters(swordsman, spearman, axeman, whatever) based on skill not how good your armor is. 1. Syrio Forel 2. Strong Belwas 3. Ser Jaime Lannister(with 2 hands) 4. Ser Garlan Tyrell 5. Ser Barristian the Bold 6. Sandor Clegane 7. Howland Reed 8. Qhorin Halfhand 9. The Red Viper10. Jon SnowBasis for Howland Reed????Can't agree with that. While I might stretch a point, and put Syrio as no. 1, we have no evidence that he's not...we know he's very good but we never see him fight another good person, and because he's not Westerosi, it is possible.But Belwas as 2? Garlan ahead of the Hound? Jon Snow ahead of Bronn, Brienne, Gregor, Victarion, Hotah, Balon Swann, Mandon Moore, Darkstar, Arys, Andrik the Unsmiling, Loras? Not a chance for me.And there is no evidence that Howland Reed is one of the best fighters around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucian Efalas Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I already post this before but my ranks are: 1) Arthur Dayne2) Barristan Selmy3) Syrio Forel4) Sandor Clegane5) Eddard Stark (after the fight with Arthur Dayne, he has to "level up" so to speak, and since fighting and surviving the Sword of the Morning makes him deserving of the rank) - Jaime Lannister (two hands, [i'm gonna have a tirade with this] but I believe he's in par with Ned, imho)6) Bronn7) Gregor Clegane8) Robert Baratheon (in his youth)9) Gerold Hightower10) Garlan Tyrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in the South Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 1. Barristan Selmy in his prime. We've seen him crush excellent fighters and he's sixty freaking three years old. 2. Jaime Lannister with both his hands. Not just Jaime himself but numerous characters have mentioned that he was one of the best. 3. The Hound. Beat a fire wielding Dondarrion, fought off two of the mountain's men at once, drawed with the Mountain, etc.4. The Mountain. He might not actually have as much skill as the others, but his strength is ridiculous.5. Syrio Forel. Wooden sword>4 guys at once. He'd be higher if we got to see him with metal.6. Garlan the Gallant. Killed Sir Guyard Moriggen and a dozen other famous knights. Loras admits Garlan is better than him.7. Strong Belwas. Not many a people can beat a mounted lancer with just a sword.8. Qhorin Halfhand. His exploits are enough, and it was pretty obvious he could have killed Jon if he intended too.9. Thoros of Myr. Won the melee at King's Landing. Thats got to count for something.10. Bronn: Showed good skill, but I'm assuming Vardis Egen was not the cream of the crop.I feel like I'm missing someone important.Shoutouts:Arthur Dayne: Supposedely better than everybody on this list by a longshot, but he's dead. (And he died because he was outnumbered in said fight)Brienne: Showing signs of brillance, but also barely beating moderately good swordsmen.Oberyn Martell: Not actually a swordsmen per say, but he beat the Mountain with a spear. A SPEAR. Too bad he made a terrible mistake right afterwords =(Waymar Royce: For you know, kind of holding off an Other.Areo Hotah: Obviously very good, but he's an "axeman"Strongboar, Greatjon, Blackfish, Darkstar, Andrik the Unsmiling, Lyn Corbray etc: Supposedely all very good, but we haven't seen them fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TippsBlackandWhite Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 1. Ser Jamie (with both hands)2. Syrio Forel 3. Qhorin Halfhand (not much to go on with this one, besides for small evidence that he was much better than he showed in his fight with Snow, but I get the feeling he was a genuine BMF)4. The Hound5. Bronn6. Mance7. Ser Barristan 8. Ser Loras9. Jon Snow 10. Brieene Maid of Tarth As others have mentioned, there's a lot of characters who didn't use a sword who were just as dangerous nonetheless - Oberyn Martell for one. Also, those like Ned we really didn't have anything to go on. Well other than Ned having survived Arthur Dayne, but there's other things to consider there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 On the subject of Howland Reed, Ned mentions that Arthur Dayne would probably have killed him if it weren't for Reed. Since we don't know the circumstances, it can't really be determined that Reed defeated Dayne through skill, but that is one possibility.As for the Top 10:-Ser Barristan Selmy-Ser Jaime Lannister-Syrio Forel-Ser Garlan Tyrell-Sandor Clegane-Khal Drogo-Ser Loras Tyrell-Mance Rayder-Ser Bronn-Qorin Halfhand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkiller Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Barristan SelmyJaime LannisterSyrio ForelGregor CleganeSandor CleganeQuorin Halfhand... we see how hard it is to learn how to fight with your off hand, makes him a legend.Garlan TyrellUPSET PICKS FOR 8 9 AND 10Lord Jason Mallister apparently cut down a ton of great knights on the Trident and also killed Rodrik Greyjoy.Mance Rayder has to be an absolute badass to control all the wildlings and also made Jon Snow look like a fool. Snow is a competent swordsman so whoever can beat him that easily has to be pretty damn good.Ser Jorah also is a certified badass and fought for a while as a sellsword. Might not have many high profile kills but I give him the nod over a few others.Apologies to Loras, Brienne, Mandon Moore, and Darkstar who despite his corny lines and failure to kill Myrcella has been called "the most dangerous man in Dorne" by Doran himself.I am super curious to see Baelor Hightower, apparently he is a hell of a knight according to the reference I read in ASOS. Also I stuck with the swords only theme, Victarion, Red Viper and maybe a few others bump these guys off the list. I might have put Robert Baratheon #1 if any weapons were allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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