l3ol3o Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 If you can't piece a weak spot by the joints the best bet is to knock them down or get the Knight out of their armor.Red hot sand was used for this and could be hurled at men in armor. All it takes is 1 grain of sand to slip underneath their armor and reach their skin and the Knight wouldn't be able to get it away without taking off his armor. Even if they didn't take off their armor and toughed it out, they would be distracted making them easier to knockdown and kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Bacardi Oakheart Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Even though a longsword wouldn't penetrate it a good dent was surely cause enough discomfort/pain if it was digging into the wearer, or somewhat immobilize them. Maybe keep pounding and aiming for the gaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Snake No. 9 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Don't use a sword, use a hammer or pole axe. Plate armour does not protect against concussive injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Everything has been said already but personally i would think aim for his horse first. Take that down and youv stopped his momentum, hurt him and made him far more vulnerable.Reign up ,have a cup of tea, and then finish the bugger off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Everything has been said already but personally i would think aim for his horse first. Take that down and youv stopped his momentum, hurt him and made him far more vulnerable.Reign up ,have a cup of tea, and then finish the bugger offA man in plate on foot is still very dangerous, if hurt by the fall he might be out of the fight, but if you let him get back up your in for one hell of a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 The way the TV show depicts Bronn killing Ser Vardis Egan, who was wearing plate-armour, is this believable?ETA I don't mean the tiring him down bit, I mean the spot where Bronn put his sword in when Ser Vardis was on his knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard of Summer Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Sit him down with a nice big ole bowl of poisoned clam chowder? :devil: And a sweet arsenic laced dornish red to boot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 The way the TV show depicts Bronn killing Ser Vardis Egan, who was wearing plate-armour, is this believable?ETA I don't mean the tiring him down bit, I mean the spot where Bronn put his sword in when Ser Vardis was on his knees.In the tv show ser vardis was not wearing plate, but an odd amaglamation(spelling?) of leather and mail. I was disapointed with this scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire and Blood! Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 The way the TV show depicts Bronn killing Ser Vardis Egan, who was wearing plate-armour, is this believable?ETA I don't mean the tiring him down bit, I mean the spot where Bronn put his sword in when Ser Vardis was on his knees.The armour ser Vardis wears in the TV series is not full plate.And yes with his armour the way he was killed is plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 In the tv show ser vardis was not wearing plate, but an odd amaglamation(spelling?) of leather and mail. I was disapointed with this scene.Aha. Thanks for that answer. This explains why Bronn could get his sword so easily into that particular vulnerable spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Aha. Thanks for that answer. This explains why Bronn could get his sword so easily into that particular vulnerable spot.Oh, dont get me wrong at the armpit is a vulnreable area, defended by mail its vulnerable to a thrust. Its hard to get at but even if vardis was wearing plate the move bronn uses would have worked, once he is dazed and beaten go for the kill and thrust at a joint. what vardis should have done was thrown himself at bronn and gotten him to the ground were a man in plate has the advantage and stabbed him with a dirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Just reread the bit in AGOT. There Ser Vardis is down. Bronn kicks the rondel aside to expose the weak spot between arm and breastplate and drives his sword under the arm and through the ribs, while in the show Bronn seems to go for the shoulder, for the spot near the subclavian vena / artery.If Ser Vardis was wearing full armour I suppose this would not have been possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan I Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'd knock him off his horse, that shit his heavy, once he's down, he's down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 You are correct it would not have been possible I thought in the show he went for the armpit(been a while since i saw that seen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimwolfe Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 ride rhinos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 A man in plate on foot is still very dangerous, if hurt by the fall he might be out of the fight, but if you let him get back up your in for one hell of a time.haha i know!The reign up and have a cup of tea was my unsuccessful attempt at wit. Duly noted i wont try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 haha i know!The reign up and have a cup of tea was my unsuccessful attempt at wit. Duly noted i wont try againOh, I thought it was funny as well. Dont feel bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Oh, I thought it was funny as well. Dont feel bad.Ha dont worry i wouldnt take it to heart!!This place is actually a pretty handy repository for information on a wide range of things. Trying to begin to write a book that iv had in my head now for a long time and questions like this keep popping into my head!! Very handy indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfryd Lothston Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Historically there were 3 things that killed mounted knighthood:1. Longbowmen/arbalesters;2. Pike formations;3. First firearms.Bloodraven fought with a bow on Redgrass field, and killed Daemon Blackfyre, the strongest knight in the realm at that time.Pod manages to put down Mandon Moore with a spear. From behind, but he was a tiny page and Moore the most dangerous of the Kingsguard.I need not remind you of wildfire.In a duel situation, however, it's all very subjective. Armor is both strength and weakness - though as a guy who actually trained in medieval swordsmanship I have to say it's far more of a strength, especially in a duel or melee. Pike or spear is very weak 1 on 1, it is only for large and dense formations. And against longbows, arbalests and first firearms there developed a special kind of "proofed" armour which these weapons couldnt penetrate (although it was very expensive so only nobility could afford it). That's why armour remained in use, at least in cuirass form, until firearms developed so that no metal could compete. But very soon the bulletproofed vest and flak jacket appeared, so the race is still on.With all said and done, If I had to fight an armored knight in an Asoiaf setting, I'd take a page from Aerion Brightflame's book and use a pot of wildfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MavsWorld Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Couldn't English longbows pierce plate? Likewise, something Jorah said in aGoT made me think that Dothraki bows could possibly kill a knight in armor.They would only pierce the armour at ver close range. Long range they wouldn't pierce, but they would bruise and cause fatigue. There are some really good documentaries you can find on youtube about armour and weapons such as the long bow, lance etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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