House Redfort Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Also just a point regarding the numbers: We have 18 players, so I think it's safe to assume that there are fourteen (14) innocents. Whether we're up against 3 scum + 1 symp or 4 scum is the question. Just something to take note of for now.There IS a sympathizer. Says so in the roles.You have a lot of town-ish reads. Like, a lot. The ones that stood out to me, however were the ones on Stick-Pony and Action Figure. You set them both up for reasons to doubt them later on. Pony Boy because of the language barrier and Thor because he seems forced? Give me an example of this please. That and the whole "My thoughts, have them" posts always twinges a reflex in me. A reflex that softly whispers eeeeevvvil ....Not. Rocked. Vote stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Wythers Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Umm.. and rubber duck... are you trying to cause confusion? or did you miss the part where the mods actually wrote that there are 3 killers and 1 symp?? so 4 killers is out of the picture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Ashford Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Not sure how rockin' this is,Sorry, but it's sucking. Mentioning every sinlge player in the game with null read on most of them and no strong opinions at all, that's definitely the scumtell in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Tully Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 RC... please drop it. It will not help the town if you insist on this matter. Let things unfold as they are to unfold.Action Figure just claimed to be a cop who got information from the mods that you are innocent...and both mods are asleep.You don't see a problem with that?Zar or Mina, if one of you is awake, please post so that we know Action Figure's story could be true. Otherwise, the guy just flat out lied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Redfort Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 RC - Action Figure was joking. He just feels that confident in his read right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Wythers Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Ok. Closing this now. No more sleep will be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Reed Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Rubber Duck This just sounds so generic and idk it could be applied to more than one player imo.If you are town please help me the light as to why Plush Animal looks pretty town by some elaboration.It's one read out of eighteen. On Day 1. Some reads are bound to come across as generic this early and with this many players in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Reed Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Sorry, but it's sucking. Mentioning every sinlge player in the game with null read on most of them and no strong opinions at all, that's definitely the scumtell in my book.You expect people to have strong opinions on Day 1?Umm.. and rubber duck... are you trying to cause confusion? or did you miss the part where the mods actually wrote that there are 3 killers and 1 symp?? so 4 killers is out of the picture...Yeah I missed that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Redfort Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'd rather read a post like Slinky's where everyone is scummy rather than yours where every one is eh ...ok. It makes me feel better about Slink than I do about you by a long shot. FM have to make stuff up on people, and it's not easy. At least Doll had some vague gut feelings. Sure, she got jumped on for it, but she had some opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Tully Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 RC - Action Figure was joking. He just feels that confident in his read right now.His opinion suddenly changed and he declared with certainty that Rag was innocent and we should all remove our votes from him. His justification for this was information from mods that we know he couldn't have got. That doesn't come from being confident of a read. That was weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Redfort Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Alright then - you go get him. I won't be voting for him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Tully Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yes, you already said that.I won't vote for Action Figure today. He seems chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Reed Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 You have a lot of town-ish reads. Like, a lot.Well, there are a lot of townies. Like, a lot. Like, 14 out of 18. So how questionable is it really that someone would have a lot of town reads?The ones that stood out to me, however were the ones on Stick-Pony and Action Figure. You set them both up for reasons to doubt them later on.And what's wrong with that? In a game like this where no townie can be sure of anyone else for pretty much the entire game, what's wrong with acknowledging a margin for error or a reason for doubt, especially when you know that it's this early in the game?...and Thor because he seems forced? Give me an example of this please.You're asking me to explain a gut feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Reed Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 At least Doll had some vague gut feelings. Sure, she got jumped on for it, but she had some opinions.And why are you implying that I don't? An opinion that someone is scum is not the only valid or useful opinion in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Redfort Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Duck, it's questionable that you ONLY have two scum reads and they happen to be the vote leaders. And I don't see what you did to AF and Pony Boy to be a margin for error, I see it as undermining their credibility. Especially Pony Boy. You're seriously going to cast doubt on him for his English skills? We haven't even seen him post much. When he does and what he says seems scummy, then you can jump on it. Doing so beforehand just seems underhanded. And yes - I'd like you to try and explain your gut. I know it's not always explainable, but there has to be something - some phrase or pattern that makes you uneasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Ashford Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 You expect people to have strong opinions on Day 1?People do have them at times. Look at AF, for example.And you haven't explained why you should mentioned everybody, Rubber Duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Redfort Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 ok, I misremembered and didn't realize you used the word gut when describing Action Figure. Going from gut, could you give me some kind of tiers? Who would you be ok voting for today besides Doll and Dino? Who will you not vote for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Redfort Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Actually Duck - I would really, really like you to whip up a quick tiers posting. I have come up with what I think your tiers will look like and I want to see how close I came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Reed Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 People do have them at times. Look at AF, for example.And people don't have them at times as well. In fact, it would be more reasonable to expect a player NOT to have strong opinions at this stage of the game. Opinions? Yes. Strong opinions? Nice to have, but not to be expected, and much less required.And you haven't explained why you should mentioned everybody, Rubber Duck.Because I like running down the list of players. Going over everyone one-by-one helps me analyze the game more systematically and having them all in the open presents an opportunity to bounce those ideas off the other players, for them to react on it so that people can have more information to work with.Duck, t's questionable that you ONLY have two scum reads and they happen to be the vote leaders.Fair enough. I recognized that this would be a risk when I placed my post, but that's how I read the players and it just happened to align with the votes at the time.And I don't see what you did to AF and Pony Boy to be a margin for error, I see it as undermining their credibility. Especially Pony Boy. You're seriously going to cast doubt on him for his English skills? We haven't even seen him post much. When he does and what he says seems scummy, then you can jump on it. Doing so beforehand just seems underhanded.on Stick Pony :: Where in what I said am I casting doubt on Pony? I said that I'm wary because his grammar excuse might lead to people accepting that he can relatively fly by and coast through the game. It's more of a cautionary note directed to the rest of the players than anything else.on Action Figure :: Did I not say that he was being assertive and has made a good number of pro-town posts? How is that even undermining anything?So, what is the difference of "undermining their credibility" and "having a margin of error" for you and why do you feel that my reads fall into the former and not in the latter? Because it seems like you've done a considerable amount of twisting what I have said to make it fit into the former category.And yes - I'd like you to try and explain your gut. I know it's not always explainable, but there has to be something - some phrase or pattern that makes you uneasy.What makes me uneasy is that Action Figure goes from assertive-bad-cop on one post and then silly joker the next. The stark contrast is what makes me feel uneasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Reed Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Actually Duck - I would really, really like you to whip up a quick tiers posting. I have come up with what I think your tiers will look like and I want to see how close I came.Tit-for-tat, Lego Man. I have some questions above that I'd like to see you answer first and I'll work on dem tiers while you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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