King of Winters Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Fire Iron CoalHammer and Anvil A blacksmithIt's what's needed to forge a swordAll the valyrian swords were crafted by blacksmiths with just fire Dragonsteel is forged with the fire of dragons , magic fire ! R'lor's fire !!!!There's speculation that dragon fire is needed to forge Valyrian Steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeRhaegar Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 i do agree but making swords or knives out of dragon bone should be really hard since its basically impossible to melt and forged into a blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caravaggio Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 IIRC the the Valyrian steel dagger that was used in an attempt to kill Bran had a dragonbone handle. If dragon bone made for good blades why not just make the whole thing from a bone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 IIRC the the Valyrian steel dagger that was used in an attempt to kill Bran had a dragonbone handle. If dragon bone made for good blades why not just make the whole thing from a bone?IIRC dragonbone is only used for bows and handles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barristan the G.O.A.T Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Just because we haven't seen a Dragonbone sword doesn't mean it can't exist.Worst argument ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caravaggio Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 That's what I remember, maybe some offhand mention of ornamentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNF Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Honestly, I can see Dragonsteel simply meaning Dragon-fire.Who's to say that there have never been Dragons native to Westeros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groat Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I like the guy who points out that not only does dragonsteal predate Valyria, and so can't be Valyrian steel, but it also predates regular steel. Iron didn't show up until the Andals invaded, so how is an entire bronze-based society able to have a word for steal?Also, just to throw this out there, we have a sword in Westeros already that is similar to Valyrian steal, yet predates Valyria, and has a title with obvious connections to the long night. Dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNF Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I like the guy who points out that not only does dragonsteal predate Valyria, and so can't be Valyrian steel, but it also predates regular steel. Iron didn't show up until the Andals invaded, so how is an entire bronze-based society able to have a word for steal?Also, just to throw this out there, we have a sword in Westeros already that is similar to Valyrian steal, yet predates Valyria, and has a title with obvious connections to the long night. Dawn.Dawn seems to be the obvious, literal Lightbringer imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If it was dragonbone, it would have been called "Dragonbone" not "Dragonsteel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Dragons are very rare, you can't just go around using their bones as weapons willy-nilly. This isn't Skyrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I like the guy who points out that not only does dragonsteal predate Valyria, and so can't be Valyrian steel, but it also predates regular steel. Iron didn't show up until the Andals invaded, so how is an entire bronze-based society able to have a word for steal?Also, just to throw this out there, we have a sword in Westeros already that is similar to Valyrian steal, yet predates Valyria, and has a title with obvious connections to the long night. Dawn.Dawn must be Lightbringer then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yes. Now how are we going to get it? Pick it up, have it delivered? By whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yes. Now how are we going to get it? Pick it up, have it delivered? By whom?House Dayne probably know about R+L=J, so they might take it to Jon if Rhaegar told them about AAR/TPTWP and they know that Dawn is the original Lightbringer. Or maybe someone else who knows will go and collect Dawn and take it to Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Dawn must be Lightbringer then.If Dawn is Lightbringer, and Jon is AAR (as you seem to vehemently believe), then Jon must be the child of Ashara & Ned/Brandon/Benjen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 House Dayne probably know about R+L=J, so they might take it to Jon if Rhaegar told them about AAR/TPTWP and they know that Dawn is the original Lightbringer. Or maybe someone else who knows will go and collect Dawn and take it to Jon.Yes, they might now. And wow, we've really not heard of House Dayne at all, right? Only the Martells are mentioned as some form of players, but the Daynes appear to be keeping to themselves? (Haven't read book 4 and 5 yet.)I wonder if the Red Sword of Heroes, if it was indeed red, deactivated (lost its redness/cooled down) after the Others went into hibernation, and with them being up and about again, is charging up once more?If I remember correctly, Dawn is a two-handed greatsword? Is it easy to fight with? The bastard sword was never Jon's favourite sword, I think, but that gift might have prepared him for Dawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If Dawn is Lightbringer, and Jon is AAR (as you seem to vehemently believe), then Jon must be the child of Ashara & Ned/Brandon/Benjen.Dawn could be Lightbringer and the original Azor Ahai and he could have passed it down to a son or a friend to keep safe until he returns. Jon is AAR so Dawn is waiting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If Dawn is Lightbringer, and Jon is AAR (as you seem to vehemently believe), then Jon must be the child of Ashara & Ned/Brandon/Benjen.Really? I've never heard of this 'people burst into flames and so die a horrible death if they dare to touch Dawn and they're not of Dayne blood'. Where is it in the text? Can you please be so kind as to point that out? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yes, they might now. And wow, we've really not heard of House Dayne at all, right? Only the Martells are mentioned as some form of players, but the Daynes appear to be keeping to themselves? (Haven't read book 4 and 5 yet.)I wonder if the Red Sword of Heroes, if it was indeed red, deactivated (lost its redness/cooled down) after the Others went into hibernation, and with them being up and about again, is charging up once more?If I remember correctly, Dawn is a two-handed greatsword? Is it easy to fight with? The bastard sword was never Jon's favourite sword, I think, but that gift might have prepared him for Dawn?Yes it's a two-handed greatsword but Dawn is said to be as light and as sharp as Valyrian Steel, and it's also in a First Men house so they would have had it after The Long Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Really? I've never heard of this 'people burst into flames and so die a horrible death if they dare to touch Dawn and they're not of Dayne blood'. Where is it in the text? Can you please be so kind as to point that out? Thanks!anybody could theoretically wield it, but if anybody but The Sword Of The Morning wielded it, it would just be like a normal greatsword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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