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Stannis and Aegon


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So I was wondering. Stannis often says something like, "I don't want to be king, I have to", because blah blah he has the strongest claim he has to do his duty and so on. My question is: now that Aegon is back in Westeros, what will Stannis do? Will he keep fighting for Robert's throne or will he help Aegon to win Rhaegar's back?

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It will take a long time before Stannis gets any word about the Kid who is still going under the moniker Young Griff

Stannis will not bow before a pretender because he would probably have a hard time believing that it is truly Aegon and really there is no reason to believe it. Aegon is probably a fake anyway. BTW, even if Stannis believes that Aegon is real he wouldn't bow down to him because the Targs lost the Throne and it is no longer theirs.

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Stannis rejected the Targaryen claim to the Iron Throne at Robert's Rebellion. The fact there's another person in the Targaryen line is irrelevant to him insofar as his recognition of their house's right to rule.

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His supposed dedication to doing things "by the book" stands on extremely shaky ground since Robert's Rebellion. It's almost like he clings to the notion of his claim as "duty" to make up for the fact that he participated in a complete overthrow of the social order. Long story short, events will force him to give up the whole "duty" facade or "just following my brother" nonsense and make some decisions for himself.

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The fire god AA has given him his holy sword as acknowledgement that he is the true King (much like King Arthur) and such divine legitimization to his mind over-rules any claim that either a true or false Targ would have to the throne. When he says he has no choice he means by blood for people like Renly and because he is Gods chosen for the likes of Dany/Aegon.

He'll also say Aegon is a Blackfyre. Hard to see why he would believe the legitimacy after Joffrey. As for Dany he assumes that she'll never come back much like the beggar king and probably doesn't know about dragons in the east at this point.

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Stannis is a hypocrite, so he won't follow the succession line, before Aegon came he was the king by law, no he is not

The Targaryen dynasty is out of the succession line by the laws of Westeros. It requires no mental gymnastics for Stannis.

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The Targaryen dynasty is out of the succession line by the laws of Westeros. It requires no mental gymnastics for Stannis.

No, after Viserys dead, Robert was king by law, women can't inherit the throne, and Robert was next in line after the end of the Targaryan dynastie and Stannis follows him. Robert legitimate his claim through his grandmother, Aegons V daughter, so he could pretend that he rule by law, Stannis only follow this arguments

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No, after Viserys dead, Robert was king by law,

Viserys, Daenerys, Aegon, Aemon, any of their children, whichever Targaryen you want to name, are out of the line of succession once Robert's Rebellion is over.

women can't inherit the throne,

They can, they just come after men, even if the men are younger.

and Robert was next in line after the end of the Targaryan dynastie and Stannis follows him. Robert legitimate his claim through his grandmother, Aegons V daughter, so he could pretend that he rule by law, Stannis only follow this arguments

Stannis follows the argument that the Targaryens, as a House, are no longer rulers following Robert's Rebellion. House Baratheon are rulers. So by his very simple, commonly accepted logic in Westeros, it wouldn't matter if one or one hundred Targaryens reappear, they're not in the running.

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They come after every possible man, even collateral related, so Robert was before Dany

Where is it stated you go outside the primary line? It's stated in Dorne that if Tommen dies, Myrcella inherits the Throne.

Also, how does this matter since House Targaryen is out of the line of succession after Robert's Rebellion.

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Stannis, being the hypicrite he is fights for the throne because he wants it and all his whining about duty and how he doesn't have a choise is just his excuse.He will bend the knee to no man (or woman for that matter),only this time his luck will finaly run out and he will be destroyed by young Aegon's hand.

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Hah....wow. if you really think aegon, a character grrm threw out of a fucking pokeball in the last book and is entirely new to readers, a boy completely green in every way, is gonna kill Stannis Baratheon....there are no words. Stannis' war is in the north and aegons the south anyway. And aegons eventual destiny is to lose the dance of the dragons to dany anyway...No idea how its even possible within the narrative aegon could defeat Stannis its an absurd notion.

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It's debatable if the Baratheons can inherit directly through the female line. However, once you grant that they can, the line of succession during Aerys' reign and further down would look like this:

  1. Rhaegar
  2. Aegon
  3. Jon (if legitimate)
  4. Viserys
  5. Rhaego (stillborn)
  6. Robert Baratheon
  7. Stannis Baratheon
  8. Renly Baratheon
  9. Aemon (would decline)
  10. Doran Martell
  11. Quentyn Martell
  12. Trystane Martell
  13. Oberyn Martell
  14. Rhaenys
  15. Daenerys
  16. Shireen Baratheon
  17. Arianne Martell

Dany is #15 in this line, while Robert, Stannis and Renly are #6-#8. Basically, everyone with a shred of a claim comes before her.

ETA: in theory, even Brown Ben Plumm has a better Targ claim than Dany... although I'd argue his unclear line of descent makes it easier to discard him.

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His right is based on conquest, which was the same right the Targaryens had. Aegon would need to beat him to be the rightful king and the only way to beat Stannis is to kill him.

Being King by right of conquest is just as legitimate as right of birth and blood.

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His right is based on conquest, which was the same right the Targaryens had. Aegon would need to beat him to be the rightful king and the only way to beat Stannis is to kill him.

Being King by right of conquest is just as legitimate as right of birth and blood.

The problem with this is basically that the Baratheons swore oaths of fealty to the Targaryens. We can argue that Aerys broke these vows first, but it's hard to conquer a kingdom without treason if you are a vassal of the kingdom's monarch.

Note that I'm not much of a Targaryen supporter, but I'd still argue there are quite some differences between the legitimacy granted by Aegon's Conquest and Robert's Rebellion, respectively.

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Stannis will never support Aegon.

Besides having rejected the Targaryen claim to the throne ever since he accepted Robert's, and having no good reason to believe that Aegon is the genuine article, Stannis has simply gone too far to back down now.

It may be relevant to note that in the same chapter of ASOS where Stannis made Davos his Hand, he also claims that Rhaenyra Targaryen was an usurper, which flies in the face of what we know of the original Dance of the Dragons and suggests that Stannis has some legitimacy criteria that he hasn't fully spelled out yet.

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