MrsManderly Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Last question before we start conserving:Does the character have something to do with a prophecy or magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 1) Character2) In some sense it's definitely not in Westeros, in some other sense it's probably from westeros3) In some sense it's already dead (and in one of the 5 books the reader sees it), in some other sense it's probably still alive (but probably will die in the future anyway)4) I'm almost sure he's a male5) He's human6) We never see the character dead in an Arya's POV7) In some sense, we see him dead before AFFC, in other sense he's probabily still alive8) In some sense we saw him dead in Essos9) We didn't see him dead in ASOS10) He probably doesn't live in Qarth, he probably wasn't born in Qarth and maybe he's never travelled in Qarth (but I don't know for sure about all his past experiences).11) We didn't see him dead in AGOT12) I wouldn't say it's a character with a false identity (like Arry etc)13) There isn't enough information to know the cause of his death14) A female POV character saw him dead. Probably other POV characters (male and female) saw him alive.15) He's probably a normal human, not an undead 16) He has something to do with a prophecy or magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearmeroar92 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 we saw him in one of arya or dany chapters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 1) Character2) In some sense it's definitely not in Westeros, in some other sense it's probably from westeros3) In some sense it's already dead (and in one of the 5 books the reader sees it), in some other sense it's probably still alive (but probably will die in the future anyway)4) I'm almost sure he's a male5) He's human6) We never see the character dead in an Arya's POV7) In some sense, we see him dead before AFFC, in other sense he's probabily still alive8) In some sense we saw him dead in Essos9) We didn't see him dead in ASOS10) He probably doesn't live in Qarth, he probably wasn't born in Qarth and maybe he's never travelled in Qarth (but I don't know for sure about all his past experiences).11) We didn't see him dead in AGOT12) I wouldn't say it's a character with a false identity (like Arry etc)13) There isn't enough information to know the cause of his death14) A female POV character saw him dead. Probably other POV characters (male and female) saw him alive.15) He's probably a normal human, not an undead16) He has something to do with a prophecy or magic 17) We surely saw him in a Dany's chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsManderly Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 ok thinking out loud (at the risk of getting ninja-ed):- a lot of the characters to do with universal prophecies (AAR, Valonquar, PTWP) were already done, which I think leaves as likely contender someone from Quaithe's prophecies to Dany? But I'm not sure how that works in the context of people have seent hat person alive/dead- on the other hand, if it's to do with magic and is not an undead type, what does that leave? the people Mel mayhaps burns - like Mance/Rattleshirt - but that is a case of secret identity isn't it?any other thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liar Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 any other thoughts?Just this :rofl:This could be a whole new level of trolling. Crackpot:Vaes Tolorro, the city of bones, a dead city, a city of ghosts. Daenerys saw this bones lying on the street. Perhaps his owner lost a limb and he is alive somewhere, but will die soon. Maybe Tyrion or Barry or Quentyn or anyone saw him too. So in some sense he is both dead and alive.*throws papers into the air* so I have nothing to help with, save the sun's son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Vaes Tolorro, the city of bones, a dead city, a city of ghosts. Daenerys saw this bones lying on the street. Perhaps his owner lost a limb and he is alive somewhere, but will die soon. Maybe Tyrion or Barry or Quentyn or anyone saw him too. So in some sense he is both dead and alive.I said it's a character, not a bodypart :DAlso, "in some sense he's dead" doesn't mean "maybe he's dead" (I woud have said "maybe he's dead" otherwise).I'm not doing any trick to make it more difficult. I swear :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liar Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 Could Daenerys' suposed traitor (one of the three) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsManderly Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 In some sense dead, but not "undead"... what could that mean:- dying of illness - I thought Jon Con, but an earlier question eliminates that- does not have all body parts - an Unsullied maybe? but don't think they come up in prophecies/magic- is "dead inside" emotionally - well that covers half of Westeros/Essos, from Sandor to Jorah- has lost their identity - like Arya/Faceless Men? but it was said earlier that it's not a secret identity situation- is about to be killed by someone - again half the characters fit this- may or may not have already been killed - that also covers loads like Sandor, Syrio, Daario etc - but I thought the first hint said it's not that type of thingdoh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 In some sense dead, but not "undead"... what could that mean:- dying of illness - I thought Jon Con, but an earlier question eliminates that- does not have all body parts - an Unsullied maybe? but don't think they come up in prophecies/magic- is "dead inside" emotionally - well that covers half of Westeros/Essos, from Sandor to Jorah- has lost their identity - like Arya/Faceless Men? but it was said earlier that it's not a secret identity situation- is about to be killed by someone - again half the characters fit this- may or may not have already been killed - that also covers loads like Sandor, Syrio, Daario etc - but I thought the first hint said it's not that type of thingdoh!No. "In some sense dead" means "in some sense really dead". It has nothing to do with things like:- dying of illness - I thought Jon Con, but an earlier question eliminates that- does not have all body parts - an Unsullied maybe? but don't think they come up in prophecies/magic- is "dead inside" emotionally - well that covers half of Westeros/Essos, from Sandor to Jorah- has lost their identity - like Arya/Faceless Men? but it was said earlier that it's not a secret identity situation- is about to be killed by someone - again half the characters fit thisOtherwise, I would't have used the word "dead". I'm not trying to make it more complicated than is is.It doesn't mean "maybe he's death" neither. Otherwise, I would have said "maybe he's dead" ;)We have seen his corpse (and we are 100% sure it was his corpse), but probably he's not dead yet. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liar Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hmm could be the dead king with the head of a wolf. Totally crackpottish and almost unfudamented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hmm could be the dead king with the head of a wolf. Totally crackpottish and almost unfudamented.In some sense it's already dead (and in one of the 5 books the reader sees it), in some other sense it's probably still alive (but probably will die in the future anyway)That king now is surely dead in all the possible senses ;)But you aren't too far from the right answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liar Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hmm could be the dead king with the head of a wolf. Totally crackpottish and almost unfudamented.Actually it kinda fits. I'll take the leap of faith on this. Arry, official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liar Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 That king now is surely dead in all the possible senses ;)It's open for debate ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearmeroar92 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 i was thinking about king cleon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 i was thinking about king cleon...7) In some sense, we see him dead before AFFCAnyway, this...Hmm could be the dead king with the head of a wolf... is not very far from the right answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Is it th wolf-head king from Dany's vision? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Is it th wolf-head king from Dany's vision? :rolleyes:I think he's definitely Robb, and for me Robb is definitely deadIf I said that he's probably not dead in some sense, it means it can't be Robb or the vision of Robb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Is it Aegon from Dany's vision then? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSnow Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Do we see Aegon dead in Dany's vision? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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