TheStarkInWinterhell Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 What I don't get is if Varys is "evil" supporting a fake why does he and Illyrio support Dany, keeping her alive and supporting her with gold and ships? Is she merely a back up plan or something more? Prestidigitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 “There is a gift for the boy in one of the chests. Some candied ginger. He was always fond of it.” Illyrio sounded oddly sad. “I thought I might continue on to Ghoyan Drohe with you. A farewell feast before you start downriver …” "Good fortune," Illyrio called after them. "Tell the boy I am sorry that I will not be with him for his wedding. I will rejoin you in Westeros. That I swear, by my sweet Serra's hands." ^^^ this is what GRRM would call a 'blatant hint'. This quote from Tyrion III in DwD sums it all up perfectly.fAegon is ILlyrio's son. Illyrio is sending his son candied ginger. Who do adults give candy to fondly? Their children, that's who. Not only that but Tyrion notes that Illyrio sounds sad while talking about fAegon. He is sad because all these people are about to go meet up with JonCon and fAegon and Illyrio does not get to go with them. He does not get to go see his son or go to his 'wedding'. So he is sad. He is sorry he will miss the boy's wedding, then he swears on Serra's hands that he will rejoin them in Westeros, Serra being fAegon's mother, so it is very appropriate that he would bring her up in that sentence. There are maybe 100 more hints like this in the Tyrion chapters of DwD. The only thing that makes rhyme or reason of Illyrio's and Varys' actions (given their history together) is that fAegon is his son and the mummer's dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorey Targaryen Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I also tend to subscribe to the point of view of the OP - that while he is "the mummer's dragon", that has a variety of meanings and the obvious assumption that it means he's fake is one of those red herrings that people keep falling for when they try to act on prophecy. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Song so Sweet Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I think it means he is Varys' dragon, your interpretation while possible is unnecessary. All hail ®Aegon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disputatious Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I honestly think it doesn't matter either way, if he is real he has a legitimate claim but will probably die because I don't see GRRM giving the throne to someone who just conveniently turns up in the 5th book, so if he is real he has not got long to live IMO. If he is fake he will probably end up getting killed or being forced into exile anyways. I see Aegon as simple yet effective plot device to finally get Dany to Westeros.A device which may take some time to succeed given where Dany is at present, and given that she needs to make sure that the slaves that she freed stay that way. Perhaps the "Battle of Fire" will take care of that, but if the Volantenes show up and besiege Meereen, then it may be a while before she goes West. Also, the ships that Victarion will have after the battle may not be enough to carry West all of those who want to go West with her.Tyrion may also be rather surprised at the reaction his news about Aegon receives from Dany and Ser Barristan. Learning that Aegon is Varys' fair haired boy will evoke all the negatives that they both hold about Varys, e.g. that he voted in the small council for the plan to have her killed after revealing to the council that she was pregnant, that Varys was spying on her for Robert, etc.There is also the question about whether Illyrio was sheltering Viserys and herself as a distraction to keep Robert et al from suspecting the very existence of Young Griff. If she suspects that, she may even more mistrustful if not outright hostile to the Varys - Illyrio scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disputatious Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I think it means he is Varys' dragon, your interpretation while possible is unnecessary. All hail ®Aegon!What you think it means is irrelevant: it is what Dany thinks it means that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Song so Sweet Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 What you think it means is irrelevant: it is what Dany thinks it means that matters. The truth will come out eventually and that will matter too. Also Dany thinks whatever GRRM wants her to think, so really that's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Ambar Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 If aragorn (read aegon) 'coming out of nowhere' is clichéd , bad writing or whatever, him being a fake , whose only purpose is to bring dany to Westeros is worse. Unless GRRM shows that the kid really has what it takes, becomes King and rules successfully. But I doubt he'll do something that radical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Ambar Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Also Dany thinks whatever GRRM wants her to think, so really that's what matters. Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bedding Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Aegon is real. Dany will mistakenly interpret the message as Aegon is fake. It will lead to war between them instead of a more wise alliance. If Dany is victorious, she eventually finds out he was real and feeds Quaithe to her dragon because all she had to say was "Varys dragon" in the first place, but she gets fancy with the words. Dany already mentioned her dislike for the riddles in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdderek Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 What's the evidence that he's a dragon?[...] And I'm convinced that Ilyrio's motivation is personal: "Aegon" is his son. We know he was very much in love with his second wife (he still keeps her hands!), and we know she bore a certain resemblance to Dany, which would make it conceivable that she might have a son with the Targaryen look. Tyrion also remarked on how strangely fond of the boy Illyrio seemed. If you take the view that all of Illyrio's actions have been leading towards putting his own son on the Iron Throne, it all starts to make sense.^That's a good thought.Illyrio, could he be a blackfyre? I forget his backstory beyond being a Braavosi before meeting Varys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdderek Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Why does everyone complicate? The Mummer is Varys. HIS dragon is Aegon.The Mummer's (possessive) Dragon. And Quaithe just said not to trust them (Lions sun, Mummer's Dragon, etc) Not necessarily to go to war with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prop joe's fingernails Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 i think it wont be clarified either way. but i do think that maybe quaith is spreading the madness in dany, making her not trust anyone and notch up her paranioa much like aerys. i dont think that varys was the cause of aerys' craziness.i believe varys' genuinley wants f/aegon on the throne because no former ruler has been taught as well as aegon....or maybe varys is just a dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSleet Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I reckon he's real and the reason quaithe is warning her is because when Aegon meets her hes going to kill her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 wouldn't it be something if the Blue Bard was really Rhaegar's handsome singing bastard his real name is Wat short for Watters lol not so handsome anymore is he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Naufragus Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ok.... there is SOOOOO much wrong with this "warning". Really I don't think we can call it a prophecy. First, Q mentions Dark Flame in the first portion.. I don't know about you but I get BLACKFYRE from dark flame. IE Aegon. So it seems strange to mention Blackfyre and the Aegon again as a dragon. The perfumed seneschal is literally the ship Tyrion was on. That was lost at sea. So not sure why she should beware it. Again it seems strange she would mention the Lion (Tryion) and then his ship (Tyrion & Mormony). Some portions of the warning seem to be about events that are happening soon - Pale Horse (if that was the pale Horse but Dany may just be trying to make things fit) and sun's son and others sound like they might be a bit later on. Or it could be that the when Q made her prophecy things were moving along in that direction but events unfolded afterward making some of it a bit irrelevant. There is also an interesting bit later on when Tyrion is on the Perfumed Seneschal where he laments the problems with prophecy biting you in the ass when he realizes the ship will literally not make it. Anyway, this suggestion is a bit out there but what if the "mummer's dragon" is something related to what Melisandre is doing and the dragon she is trying to conjure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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