BitsOfBrains Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 "A castle has no secrets" as Jon Snow reflects. Is it possible that Tywin really did not know that Jaimie and Cersei were going at it? I always just assumed he knew but never let on. He just seems too on top of everything to not know. Tyrion seems to believe Tywin didn't know. He says something like, "Did you really believe I was so blind stupid as father?" to Cersei in reference to the twincest. Even if he didn't know, after the Stannis letter spells it out for everyone you would have to assume Tywin would be like, "Gee, that explains a lot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Tetrarch42 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 He was smart enough to know, but he just repressed, repressed, repressed.Two children of Tywin Lannister dishonoring the House in such a way? Tywin thinks not (or thinks not at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 He hasn't really been around them while they have been screwing. There was the one time when they were children but Joanna didn't tell him. When one is at CR the other was usually at court, and when they are both at court Tywin is back at CR until Blackwater, and of course Jaime is a hostage then. I think he found out but I don't think he knew all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Heath Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yeah, he probably knows or has suspicions, he just refuses to admit it to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joffrey fan Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I think he is smart enough to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 oh he had his ideas, that makes sense that they were always separated and he always had a pretext of why it was plausible of why they were in one place or the other. There is no way that he doesn't have at least some doubts of what Jamie and Cersi were trying to do, is no less than what he did with this cousin, and trying to make Cersi Queen. Hell it may have even appealed to him seeing as he wanted to be as high as his old friend Aerys before the relationship went sour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 he always had a pretext of why it was plausible of why they were in one place or the other. Yeah thats another good point. It seems that as soon as they hit puberty he made sure they were never in the same place. As far as the repressing comments, I don't see Tywin as the type to, "Deny a hard truth". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Tetrarch42 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yeah thats another good point. It seems that as soon as they hit puberty he made sure they were never in the same place. As far as the repressing comments, I don't see Tywin as the type to, "Deny a hard truth". He seemed to it do with with Tyrion though. He convinced himself that Tyrion would never inherit Casterly Rock and Jaime was his perfect little heir. I believe that even GRRM commented that he was somewhat deluded in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Everybody with a brain figured it out eventually and Tywin is a smart man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 He seemed to it do with with Tyrion though. He convinced himself that Tyrion would never inherit Casterly Rock and Jaime was his perfect little heir. I believe that even GRRM commented that he was somewhat deluded in that case. Well Tywin gets to decide who inherits Casterly Rock. He could make Hodor his heir if he were so inclined. And Jaimie is pretty perfect by Westeros standards. He is very handsome and can kick more ass than 99.99% of the population. I would be interested to read/see the interview where Gurm talks about Tywin fooling himself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylin Stark Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 He probably learnt of it, but was always in denial as he probably thought it revolting and cared about the Lannister reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 yet like Tyrion said some men would rather deny a hard truth than face facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Well Tywin gets to decide who inherits Casterly Rock. He could make Hodor his heir if he were so inclined. And Jaimie is pretty perfect by Westeros standards. He is very handsome and can kick more ass than 99.99% of the population. I would be interested to read/see the interview where Gurm talks about Tywin fooling himself though. Jaime can't inherit because he was named to the Kingsguard. Aerys appointed him to deny Tywin the heir he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 yes but in supporting Robert and his claim he thought he was currying favor with the new king by ridding him of the old regime and keeping his hands clean. The lannisters not the starks or baratheons broke the old power for good by ending Aerys and Aegon. One good turns deserves another and Robert by rights should have released Jamie from his vows. Under Joffrey he has another chance but Jamie this time rejects it. It was always Tywin's plan to get Jamie free of the Kingsguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 . It was always Tywin's plan to get Jamie free of the Kingsguard Yeah I think as soon as Jaimie was named to the Kingsguard (the way it was presented in the book it wasn't even like he applied, was offered the job, and accpeted but just got a letter saying, "bring your ass you have no choice in the matter") Tywin immediately looking for a way to free him from his vows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VisenyaLives Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I mean honestly.. all three kids not have any likeness to Robert?? I wonder if Robert had at least some suspicions? He'd think, three kids not one with dark hair....not one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Tywin knew about the Twincest, but he doesn't wanna know about it so he mentally suppressed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kinkslayer Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Tywin surely knew about the twyncest, but he kept his mouth shut after Balerion the black cat stole a chicken leg from his plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I mean honestly.. all three kids not have any likeness to Robert?? I wonder if Robert had at least some suspicions? He'd think, three kids not one with dark hair....not one.... This is due to Robert being a drunken oaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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