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Lord Randyll is either a cheap or sadistic bastard


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#1 Mal Malenkirk

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:41 PM

He could have forced his son to become a Maester instead of taking the black.  Same end result.

 

Randyll is from the Reach; Oldtown is practically next door, there should be some affinity here.  He might not even have needed to twist Sam's arm too much; his son is clearly well suited for te Maester's life.  His wife would doubtlessly have been much happier. 

 

So why force the black?

 

First possibility is the expense.  I have not read anywhere that some fees should be paid to the citadel so the accept your child, but it seems likely.  Unlike the Night Watch, the Citadel doesn't seems to have lands or any way to sustain itself.  I have to assume they get some income at some point, a entry fee seems likely.  And if so, mayhaps Randyll Tarly did not want to pay it on behalf of Samwell.

 

Or perhaps he just hated his son so much he'd rather see him at the wall in the hope he suffers and dies.

 

Or hey, maybe both.

 

What a jackass either way.


Edited by Mal Malenkirk, 12 July 2014 - 08:42 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:45 PM

I can't remember now which book it was in, but Sam actually explains that.  He said something about his father looking down on Maesters because they are servants, and Tarlys are not servants.  So basically it had to do more with family pride.  But I agree... total jackass.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:47 PM

I doubt money was the issue. When Jon tells Sam he's sending him to the citadel Sam complains about how his father wouldn't tolerate his son being a servant. The Night's Watch is a life of servitude as well but from Tarly's military perspective the Wall is more fitting.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:47 PM

He just hated Sam and wanted him dead. HE even outright said take the black or you will have an accident while out riding one day. 



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:48 PM

Also he hated Sam and had no interest in what he wanted.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:49 PM

I can't remember now which book it was in, but Sam actually explains that.  He said something about his father looking down on Maesters because they are servants, and Tarlys are not servants.  So basically it had to do more with family pride.  But I agree... total jackass.

 

It's AFFC, Samwell I

 

 

"My father, Lord Randyll, he, he, he, he, ...the life of a maester is the life of servitude....no son of House Tarly will ever wear a chain. The men of Horn Hill do not bow and scrape to pretty lords."

 

(still an ass, though)



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:49 PM

I mean, would you really trust Samwell Tarly to carry on your family's martial tradition and not have your lands/home picked apart by ambitious neighbors?

I think he went about it in a much too cruel fashion but I would have disinterested Sam first chance I got.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:59 PM

Randyll is a grade A dickhead. Sure the Maesters are servants, but no one looks down on them, save the Ironborn and Lady Dustin. Lannisters and Tyrells both have members who are Maesters.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:01 PM

Randyll Tarly was a perfect fit in his world. Sam was a total misfit. Any time a kitchen girl can drub the heir to a House with strong military tradition there's something wrong with the heir. Once Dickon was born Randyll should have disowned Sam and packed him off to the Citadel where he'd have been more at home. Apparently the Wall looked like a better alternative to Randyll.

 

I'm surprised that few people get as disgusted with Sam and his constant whining about being a craven as I do. He has a ton (nearly) of potential but wimps out for the slightest reasons. 



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:02 PM

Sam had shamed him enough and if he dies, or even makes it through training like he did, he is out of mind and out of sight way up North.

Edited by Boarsbane, 12 July 2014 - 09:02 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:02 PM

An ass, yes, but the survival of his family and men depends on having a strong lord, something that Sam, at the moment, proved not to be. Keeping him around in the Citadel, putting his pride aside, would meant everybody remembering that he had a weak son, and they're weak. At the Wall, he would become stronger or die. He became stronger.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:06 PM

I'm surprised that few people get as disgusted with Sam and his constant whining about being a craven as I do. He has a ton (nearly) of potential but wimps out for the slightest reasons. 

 

Eh, if you ask me, Sam perfectly exemplifies Bran's conversation with Ned in the first book.

 

Bran thought about it. "Can a man still be brave when he's afraid?"

 

"That is the only time a man can be brave" his father told him.

 



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:08 PM

I'm surprised that few people get as disgusted with Sam and his constant whining about being a craven as I do. He has a ton (nearly) of potential but wimps out for the slightest reasons.

Well, he has proven to be brave when it's needed to be, though. He hasn't realised that yet, I guess.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:09 PM

I can't remember now which book it was in, but Sam actually explains that.  He said something about his father looking down on Maesters because they are servants, and Tarlys are not servants.  So basically it had to do more with family pride.  But I agree... total jackass.

 

 

I am re-reading and I forgot that part (not yet up to AFoC) but it rings true, I had forgotten about that.

 

Somehow that's even worst.

 

Hey, Randyll, you serve the Tyrells.  What's the damn difference with a maester serving a house?


Edited by Mal Malenkirk, 12 July 2014 - 09:11 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:11 PM

I am re-reading and I forgot that part (not yet up to AFoC) but it rings true, I had forgotten about that.
 
Somehow that's even worst.
 
Hey, Randyll, you serve the Tyrells.  What's the damn difference with a maester serving a house?


Tyrells are his liege lord, Sam would most likely serve a lord of equal or lesser station than Randyll

Edited by Boarsbane, 12 July 2014 - 09:11 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:12 PM

 

I am re-reading and I forgot that part (not yet up to AFoC) but it rings true, I had forgotten about that.

 

Somehow that's even worst.

 

Hey, Randyll, you serve the Tyrells.  What's the damn difference with a maester serving a house?

 

Well Randyl is a bad ass general with a ton of power and respect in the realm so that would be the biggest difference.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:14 PM

Tyrells are his liege lord, Sam would most likely serve a lord of equal or lesser station to Randyll  

 

        

 

Or greater.  The Tarly are not that powerful that there is a shortage of more powerful house. 



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:15 PM

 

Eh, if you ask me, Sam perfectly exemplifies Bran's conversation with Ned in the first book.

 

The problem with Sam is that he takes bad situations and magnifies them in his mind to the extent that he's paralyzed. He fears pain, even though he has survived painful situations. He can't say "That was pretty bad, but I got through it." He just freaks out all over again. He can only act when he's absolutely forced to set his fear aside.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:18 PM

The problem with Sam is that he takes bad situations and magnifies them in his mind to the extent that he's paralyzed. He fears pain, even though he has survived painful situations. He can't say "That was pretty bad, but I got through it." He just freaks out all over again. He can only act when he's absolutely forced to set his fear aside.

 

Hence Jon ordering Sam not to think of himself as craven anymore, before he sent him out to the Citadel.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:18 PM

Or greater.  The Tarly are not that powerful that there is a shortage of more powerful house.


I meant in terms of status. Houses like Hightower are more powerful but they still aren't LP status.