James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Imagine this setup. Five military leaders in the series. Stannis Baratheon, Robb Stark, Randyll Tarly, Tywin Lannister, and Daenerys Targaryen. They each have thirty thousand soldiers. You can decide what they'd realistically have in the ways of troops, but for the sake of reasonable fairness let's try and give them close to equal proportions of cavalry and infantry. They each have a bonus element in their armies. Tywin has the Mountain, Stannis has Melisandre and the ability to use her magic once. Dany has Barristan Selmy (dragons are too OP for this situation), Randyll has the funds for an extra 10,000 more soldiers, and Robb has Greywind.Every one of the leaders has to fight each of the others once, and the battlefields are all in, say, the Riverlands. Who emerges on top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 First, Stannis meets Tywin in open battle and Mel assassinates Tywin with a shadow baby.Second, Dany fights Robb. Dany dies.Third, Stannis meets Randyll in open battle and a shadow baby kills Randyll.Fourth, Stannis's larger army smashes Robb. The end.So I think Mel's too OP as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Unless Mel offs Tarly, 10k men is 10k men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Unless Mel offs Tarly, 10k men is 10k men But Mel will off Tarly. And once Tarly and Tywin are dead, since Dany will never ally with the son of an usurper's dog Stannis wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Keep in mind that Stannis will only be able to use one shadow baby. If that's how he decides to use Mel's magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 And they all have to face off against each other. We can claim the victor by how many battles they won out of five Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Keep in mind that Stannis will only be able to use one shadow baby. If that's how he decides to use Mel's magic. Why? Stannis has enough life force to feed two Shadow Babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 OK. Again1. Robb attacks Tywin. I think Tywin would lose because as we see from Tywin's defeat at the Fords he's not an exceptional tactician. Tywin retreats to Stoney Sept.2. Randyll, seeing a chance to off Tywin, attacks Tywin at Stoney Sept and smashes him. Tywin flees to the east.3. Stannis kills Tywin.4. Robb and Randyll face each other, maybe at Pinkmaiden. The fighting is fierce, but when Randyll's reinforcements arrive Robb is defeated and retreats to Riverrun.5. Stannis attacks and takes out Randyll who is besieging Riverrun.6. Shadow assassin kills Robb. The end.ETA:Forgot about Dany. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 I'm saying only once for this context. Makes it more of a challenge. Anyway he won't necessarily have to depend on shadow babies. Only Randyll will outnumber him the rest will have an equal amount of troops. It's about leadership here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Dany does not compare in terms of military leadership to leaders like Tywin, Robb and Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Personally, I think Stannis would be able to defeat Dany and Tywin, and use his shadow baby on Randyll allowing him the victory there. Robb is a slightly different case because of his sheer talent as a warlord. Not so sure which of them would win.Randyll would lose to Stannis, and probably Robb, but he would win against Tywin and Dany.Dany would be able to defeat Tywin due to her varied forces and their dedication to her cause (not to mention Barristan as her second) but against the others she would lose due to inexperience.Tywin would overall lose to all four of his opponents in battle, hence why his biggest triumphs were done away from the battlefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Dany does not compare in terms of military leadership to leaders like Tywin, Robb and Stannis.Tywin isn't that great as a battle commander. He relies on trickery and other allies doing the grunt work. When it comes to open battle he lost to Edmure Tully for the Gods' sake. All his biggest achievements in the war were done by avoiding open battle through deceit and bribery and betrayals. Dany meanwhile will have Dothraki cavalry, unsullied troops, and others who all love her too much to ever betray her. So she'd likely defeat the Lannisters in combat. And Barristan can kill the Mountain for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 His trick at the Green Fork was a good idea. Dany never even commanded a battle, as Tyrion pointed out she didn't even know that she should poison the fountains near Mereen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Good point. But either way I consider Dany and Tywin to be the worst of the five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The cold wind blows through the battlefield, the dead rise, and all 5 lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Wait, so is it "who would win in indivudal fights" or "if all five armies are at it at once"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Wait, so is it "who would win in indivudal fights" or "if all five armies are at it at once"? It's the former.Think of it like this: Stannis vs TywinDany vs RandyllRandyll vs StannisStannis vs RobbRobb vs. TywinTywin vs. RandyllStannis vs DanyDany vs. TywinRobb vs. RandyllDany vs. Robb Each has fought the others once, and they've all fought four battles. Out of four for each of them, who'd win the most victories and thus be the one on top. The conditions are in the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It's the former.Think of it like this: Stannis vs TywinDany vs RandyllRandyll vs StannisStannis vs RobbRobb vs. TywinTywin vs. RandyllStannis vs DanyDany vs. TywinRobb vs. RandyllDany vs. Robb Each has fought the others once, and they've all fought four battles. Out of four for each of them, who'd win the most victories and thus be the one on top. The conditions are in the original post.Then Stannis: 4/4Randyll: 1/4Dany: 0/4Tywin: 2/4Robb: 3/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 1. Stannis2.. Randyll3. Stannis4. Stannis5. Robb6. Tywin7. Stannis8. Tywin9. Robb10. Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 ThenStannis: 4/4Randyll: 1/4Dany: 0/4Tywin: 2/4Robb: 3/4You think Tywin would defeat Robb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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