Stannis's birthright Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 the followers of the Seven anoint knights and any knight can make another .. the north men that don't follow the seven aren't made knights because of their religion . Now to Gendry . He doesn't follow the Seven nor does he even like them but is a follower of the Red God and is a knight .. WTF .. So are there Knights of the Red God as well ? I am confused .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's birthright Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Or did the BWB knight Gendry despite being a follower of Red God ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's birthright Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Am I the only one that see the inconsistency in knighting a follower of the Red God and not the old Gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandorsRedemption Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I didn't realize that followers of the old gods don't get knighted. Are you sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's birthright Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Well I can't name one . Ser Jorah from the North but they called him the Andal . so I assume he woships the Seven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandorsRedemption Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Quickly looked around a little bit and apparently it's uncommon but not unheard of for followers of the old gods to be knighted. But in the end, any knight can make another knight so although there are some customs attached to knighting ceremonies, there aren't any formal religious requirements. Plus Gendry is awesome so he deserves to be knighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's birthright Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 I like Gendry as well but It seem strange that he would allow himself to be knighted in the light the Seven .,while really not liking them at all . Unless can a Priest of the Red God make a knight dedicated to the Red God . I know there are Fire Knights in Essos but their number is kept strictly at 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The knighting has a religious connotation with the Seven, but remember than being knighted is an honour, a form of recognition for one's value and courage as well. For instance, we have Jorah being knighted after Balon Rebellion, despite him being from the North and a follower of the Old Gods. I suppose that the Red Religion is a bit more open about it. Otherwise, all of the knights that follow Stannis would have to renounce to their knighthoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The knighting has a religious connotation with the Seven, but remember than being knighted is an honour, a form of recognition for one's value and courage as well. For instance, we have Jorah being knighted after Balon Rebellion, despite him being from the North and a follower of the Old Gods. :agree: Further examples include Ser Harras Harlaw (Drowned God), Ser Rodrik Cassel (Old Gods) and all the young squires Barristan knights in Meereen (lots of different faiths). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Not to mention Rodrik's statement to Joffrey at WF when he says he's training knights in reference to Robb and crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Well I can't name one . Ser Jorah from the North but they called him the Andal . so I assume he woships the Seven He is a northmen, as is rodrik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 He is a northmen, as is rodrik. :agree: Mormont is called "the Andal" by a foreigner, just as for Salah ad Din every european would be a "Frank", be him a norman knight born in Alexandretta or a Genoan merchant or the king of England. To the Khal, every westerosi is an Andal, and the rest just squabbling about differences between minor, far away tribes and gods. But I really don't get the point on Gendry: why does him "need" to be knighted?Do characters in this series get what they deserve? Is being knighted something Gendry would like or need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinchanging Sweetrobin Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Although Gendry clearly does not believe in Seven/Red unity, it seems many of the characters of the Riverlands would be open to it.But I agree that there seems to be a contradiction. At times people say "any knight can make a knight" (as with Dunk) and at other times people say knights are consecrated with holy oil (presumably by a septon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Incidently, also note mega old-godsy Ser Bartimus at the Wolf's Den. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 But I agree that there seems to be a contradiction. At times people say "any knight can make a knight" (as with Dunk) and at other times people say knights are consecrated with holy oil (presumably by a septon). No contradiction. Only two ways to do things. Schwertleite und Ritterschlag, if you want to know the original (german) words. The Schwertleite was the culmination of a 14-year-long education and a very expensive ceremony. The Ritterschlag five minutes on the battlefield. The septon and the holy oils are needed for the Schwertleite, as well as an entire bunch of knights. Only one knight is needed for the Ritterschlag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorched_Air Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think it's clear that Jorah worships only femmes fatales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luddsthirdmorph Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Jorah and his father worship the seven but Jeor's father worshiped the old Gods. I rather think the girls also worship the old gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 But I agree that there seems to be a contradiction. At times people say "any knight can make a knight" (as with Dunk) and at other times people say knights are consecrated with holy oil (presumably by a septon). I suppose the whole rite and ointment is purely ceremonial, specially when it involves important noble guys. Jaime spent the night in a sept, probably after been blessed, but was knighted by Arthur, another knight, at the end. It's like the catholic marriage: you see the bride dressing in white, with flowers, walking down the aisle with her father and music. All of that, inside of a fancy church. That's just the ceremony. A priest can marry you in his office, with only the bride, the groom and a couple of witness, and no need for fancy clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Jorah would have wanted the knighthood to impress the girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Didn't Jorah get knighted for valour at Pyke? There's little evidence he keeps the Seven, and I don't recall any at all suggesting that Jeor does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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