TeamRhllor Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Simple question... If Jon is AA, why would he need to kill someone he loved again when he already has? Please feel free to crush me if I'm wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 He never knew her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomKat Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 If she IS his mother, he doesn't know that, and you aren't born into the world with automatic love for the individual whose birth canal you emerged from. And even if he did, its never been established if its "love" in general or the specific romantic love that's required. Besides, its not too classy to say someone killed their mother if the mother died in childbirth. It's not the baby's fault if an internal complication happens, they're just following their natural evacuation path and have no say in the matter. Also that'd be a really cheap move to just throw that idea into the story like "oh btw his moms death counted so he's been AA his whole life ladidah". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damsel in Distress Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 George already said that we should be skeptical about taking prophecies and legends as fact. Legends sound more interesting than fact, therefore, people tend to tell the legend rather than the fact when the two do not agree. So it is likely that Azor Ahai was never reborn in this age. Lightbringer is no longer needed. They have dragons, dragonglass, and wildfire now. If the legend and the prophecy of AA is true, and if assume it is Jon, then Lyanna is unlikely to be Nissa Nissa. In the legend, Nissa Nissa was someone that AA really loved deeply. She was someone that he cared about more than anyone. Jon would not feel that way about a mother that he never met. There's really only one candidate for Nissa Nissa if Jon is Azor Ahai: Arya Stark. She's the one that Jon gave up everything for. He broke his vows and committed treason to the night watch just to try and rescue a girl that he thought was Arya. That's love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 AA reborn, the prince(ss) that was promised, the last hero ect are all archetypes that different characters can emulate to a degree. GRRM has tried to drive home the folly of something like Azor Ahai being literally "reborn." Jon and Dany both fit AA reborn and TPTWP. Bran fits the last hero pretty well too but noone will follow in their exact footsteps. That would be boring and fit too well into the nerd hopes of the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's 20 Good Men Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Nissa Nissa was supposed to represent a sacrifice that was needed in order to save the world. Jon didn't sacrifice Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Actually rhaegar can be AA, he killed lyanna as nissa nissa and jon is the lightbringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRhllor Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 I actually agree... I don't think all the aspects of the prophecy are necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 GRRM has made it pretty clear that the prophesy will be fulfilled, just not in the way that readers or characters expect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annarkie Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Because by this logic Joanna Lannister would be Tyrion's Nissa Nissa, Dany's mom would be too and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Mae Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Actually rhaegar can be AA, he killed lyanna as nissa nissa and jon is the lightbringer. Good point. Rhaegar believed he was the Prince that was Promised. If AA and the Prince are the same person, then maybe Rhaegar was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Barbrey Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 [quote name="purple-eyes" post="7256002" timestamp="1439078124"] Actually rhaegar can be AA, he killed lyanna as nissa nissa and jon is the lightbringer.[/ Could very well be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby Fforde Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Actually rhaegar can be AA, he killed lyanna as nissa nissa and jon is the lightbringer. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ice Wolf of Loki Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Actually rhaegar can be AA, he killed lyanna as nissa nissa and jon is the lightbringer. Yeah I was going to say that, he even tried to forge Lightbringer 2 time before Rhaenys and Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 The prophecy is about azor ahai fighting with lightbringer and not lightbringer fighting alone the problem with any jon being AAR theory is people dont add the points to arrive at destination that jon is the one ..but they already choose its jon and try to fit everything to reach that destination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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