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  1. Lady Barbrey

    Prince Nymor's letter (slight crackpot)

    I like this explanation a lot because when I first read about the letter I immediately thought it had something to do with Rhoynar magic. But I found that return to Dragonstone very curious and just love the idea he was consulting his library. My imaginings were so much more sinister but this makes sense!
  2. Things might have been delayed but I think there would still have been a North and South divide and war. Regardless of Ned being Hand or not, Robert still planned to marry Joff to Sansa, and it would only be a matter of time before Joff showed his true psychopathic colours. Ned, Catelyn, Robb, Bran, Arya, Jon - can you imagine them sitting still while one of their own pack was being abused? And in the meantime Varys is manipulating the timing for a rebellion/war. So I think the war wouldn't have happened so soon but not long after, within a few years.
  3. Yes, there are at least two heroes that need to be born (not to mention Bran, Brienne, Jamie, Arya and Tyrion). Dany is the heroine with three dragons and she will fight the Others. This is the dragon with three heads prophecy and means bringing dragons back in the world. Jon is the song of ice and fire, and he will restore the seasons. It's likely the Last Hero was unable to kill his beloved in the final sacrifice, so Jon will be presented with that choice. And the Others no doubt have their own prophecized hero, likely Benjen, they believe can bring down the Wall.
  4. Reading that quote, though, doesn't it seem obvious that the Valyrians did not come to Westeros then because there was no Valyria? Valyria starts rising not long after the Long Night ends. It is far more likely that the Last Hero was a dragon rider, who defeated the Others and built a few structures of fused black stone, had some descendents and they migrated to Essos. They became the Valyrians. And that is why Aegon would know of the Others.
  5. No Earth bring back necessary. I listened to the video just now and even though he ascribes the belief to speculation, he doesn't go out of his way to deny it or make it ambiguous. I think we can take this at face value with just a little reservation.
  6. Lady Barbrey

    Name the Parents

    Aegon= Septa Lemore+Unknown Blackfyre (possibly Varys if he lies about cutting) Dany=Aerys+Rhaella Tyrion=Aerys+Joanna Jon=Rhaegar+Lyanna And to add: Allyria=Brandon+Ashara Lanna=Illyrio, who was Gerion Lannister+Sailors Wife. Because her parents were seemingly married, she might end up heir to both the Lannister and Baratheon Lordships.
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    Wake Dragons From Stone = Sword in the Stone

    That's interesting because we were just speculating that the fat man whose fingers had to be cleaved off for his rings was Illyrio. The mummer is Varys, his partner is Illyrio, and if Illyrio is a dragon as some suspect, he did meet up with Quentyn though dead.
  8. Yes, and I think Aerys tells us that when he first holds Rhaenys, sniffs and says 'she smells Dornish'. He's looking for dragon rider blood and there might not be any left in the noble families, giving us a good indication of how special Dany is.
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    If Danny truly wants a Targaryan dynasty!

    Agree about Dany (I avoid writing her full name - just a word of commiseration and advice to the OP). She won't sit idly by, but then, Aegon didn't strike me as someone who would sit on the sidelines waiting for her to die either. He's been groomed his whole life for the kingship. I think we're in for a fight where Dany's best intentions will once again be put to the test as she sees what her hordes do to Westeros. So true about Willas. If I'd been Sansa I'd have snapped him up if only to get out of KL. What do you think Oberyn knew?
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    The Others and the Sidhe

    Ha, don't get me started on Ragnarok. I've read a few theories but they get too specific in a tale as mythically entangled as this one. But I do think He's taken the basic structure from the Norse, which is why I'll point out that while the sun and the earth, heaven's, people, gods and giants come from Ymir, Ymir himself comes from the ashes of Muspelheim and the slow icy drip of a poison river. Fire and Ice (he is later called a Frost Giant). I only insist on this difference because I think it related to the crucial problem and end game of the series - the irregular seasons. But That's another theory in itself. There's a thread by sweetsunray where she describes all the symbolism of Winterfell to the land of the dead, an underworld or "other"world. I think she has the word chthonic in it if you want to search. In Tad William's Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, which was a major inspiration for this series, there is also a long winter caused by the Sidhe/Norns who had been dispossessed from their lands and homes and they wanted them back and revenge at the same time. I don't know if Martin will follow that story line (he often does follow the same tropes as Williams though treats them so differently they don't copy) or do something completely different for his own version of the Sidhe, the Others, if only because he has so publicly acknowledged his debt to Williams. We will see!
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    The Illyrio/Aegon thing

    Another good catch. I think It's him and he's dead. You know, something that might help nail the Gerion is Illyrio so he's dead is The Sailors Wife and daughter Lanna. Unfortunately I can't do Search Westeros so will have to look this up in the books when I'm home. It seems pretty pointed that Lanna is a Lannister and people have thought she might be Tyrion's child or Gerion's. But Yna says she tasted the Sailors Wife's blood and the husband she's been waiting for is dead. I never doubt this kind of thing, so that means it isn't Tyrion. If It's Gerion, then he's dead. So what I want to find out is whether the chapter Yna said she tasted the blood and he's dead comes before or after the chapter where we surmise Illyrio is dead, the hands cleaved off, in a timeline. Honestly, that will kind of nail it for me if so, both that Illyrio is dead and that he was Gerion Lannister. Because why bother with these hints unless that's true. If either you or @Lollygag have access before I do and can tell what the timeline was, I'd sure appreciate it. Edit to Add: I looked up chapter order on Feast for Dragons, the combined books, and according to it, The Merchantman chapter comes before the Yna thing. So she is right: the Sailors Wife's husband really is dead if he was Gerion and Gerion was Illyrio. So, Lollygag, you better link me to your theory about Gerion, cause I'm ready to buy it, have some more support for it, and if we accept that's who he is, we have a pretty good idea of what Varys was doing for him in Westeros. Undermining Tywin to begin with, and isn't it amazing how many in line of inheritance to Casterly Rock have died, disappeared or been disallowed this past fifteen years. Varys's hands are all over at least half of them.
  12. That's my anxiety mostly, that the quality will go down, maybe not for Winds but the next one, because I'm starting to age and my memory is already not what it used to be and I'm decades younger than George! The series is an extremely layered production. I know George is a genius but there are a lot of threads to tie up for the last book. I hope he has good help in the continuity area not only with the plot and characters but the symbols and parallels he has so generously textured the series with. I do think the series has the potential to become a classic but not if it can't be brought home, and age does unfortunately factor in. So for George's own posterity, I hope he can write the last one more quickly than this one.
  13. Lady Barbrey

    A Question about Skulls

    Very interesting, Seams. The Brienne example was the most clear to me because I saw her journey through the Riverlands as a journey through the Wasteland, or the underworld, on her way to meet Hel (Lady Stoneheart), who is of course guarded by hellhounds, Biter and Lem in Hounds clothing, but Brienne barely survives the attack. Ilyn Payne most clearly is the executioner/death as symbol, and I wonder what it means that Brienne has brought his relative with her? It could mean anything, of course, but I think it means death for someone other than Brienne. It's kind of creepy, too, that Ilyn Payne executed Ned, and now here's his relative to face the merciless widow. Widow's Wail. Too many symbols packed in here. Regarding Arya and her own trip to the underworld under the Red Keep, I found it interesting that the role of Hel for her is taken by Varys/Illyrio, her guide is a cat, Balerion, and the watchdogs are dragon skulls. And when she emerges the dragons are friendlier. Will Varys/Illyrio prove personal demons to Arya, or was that just to show us that these two snakes at the foundations of the Red Keep were responsible for its disruption, they're the devils in the foundations. And they're guarded by dragons as hellhounds suggesting one or both are dragons? Regarding Sansa, the Hel in that scenario should be Ilyn Payne, who will shortly behead her father, but in fact he is paired with Sandor as Hound, so we're introduced to two hellhounds before the real devil or demon of Hel arrives, Joffrey, responsible for the deaths of Ned and Lady. And just like Arys's dragons becoming friendlier, the hellhounds can sometimes be tamed, as in the Hound. Have you looked at open mouths or maws as entrances to underworlds/other worlds, because of your gatekeeper symbolism? I'm sure I'm not the first to notice that going through doors described as mouths take people to an Other World. Arya goes through a dragon's mouth, Dany goes through an actual mouth door on her way to the Undying, the Black Gate is a mouth. In Norse myth, the original meaning of frost, fire and stone giants is "devourers". When these trips begin in a mouthlike portal, I think we're given a clue to a character's trip to an otherworld. But it won't be the same death or evil entity they encounter on the other side, but according to location and the character him or herself. You know, this might have some predictive strength. Whenever we see two hellhound types paired by skulls or just hound symbolism, we should look to see who comes next, the real enemy revealed for the character undergoing an underworld parallel trip. Back to skulls - along with death, of course, they are also a symbol of Asgard (made from Ymir's skull) so divinity and immortality. I think you are right that in dreams or visions they might be a portent of death but also resurrection. But they also can serve semi-independent roles too. Those skulls reminded me of Heart of Darkness in Bittersteels's case. The skulls serve as warning, barrier, and entrance into another world - here there be monsters. Just like the hellhounds, but on solider ground symbolically. In the Whispering Skull scenario, I think It's a reference to Mimir and Bran the Blessed, but I'd have to read it again as I'm not sure this one fits the others.
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    The Others and the Sidhe

    According to Wikipedia: (In Irish mythology, the Milesians were the humans who became the final inhabitants of Ireland.) Underground or behind the Wall? And the Otherworld sounds a fit abode for the Others. Craster's sons as offerings? Not named directly - simply "The Others"? Or White Walkers? Fits the Others to a tee. So why do I think they are engaged in defense? Another thing they engage in is: Craster's sons again? "Winter is coming." To go a bit further, what may have awakened them? Who knows what the wildlings have been up to up there? But after eight thousand years, I'd wager some of their knowledge of the Others has been lost, and they may have inadvertently trespassed on or even ruined some lands or property of the Others. There's a host more material on the sidhe in hundreds of books, so I think there's likely to be a lot more information to be found there, if anyone's interested. Thank you for providing these quotes! What strikes me are George's use of the term The Free Folk for the Wildlings (as a riff on The Fair Folk?) and Winterfell itself described symbolically as an otherworld over or underworld and over again. The underground cold crypts, the implications Stark ancestors might rise. We always get these connections of the Others to the Starks or Wildlings but other than, " there must be something in the blood" we know very little more. For me the underlying structure comes from the Norse, where the world is actually made from the body parts of a giant, itself made from fire and ice. These elements came first, and at the end of the World, Ragnarok, they emerge as chaotic forces wanting to take back what was theirs in the first place. They're coming home. Dany and dragons,( leading Red Priests, the Dothraki and Unsullied from Essos, (Musspelheim), and the Others from the Land of Always Winter (Jotunheim). What are Dany's reasons not to stay in Essos Once she has carved out a queendom there? She wants to go home; Westeros is hers by right. I expect we'll find out the Others have similar reasons, particularly if the Children created, then almost destroyed, then banished them. And that echoes very much with the Sidhe. So are they coming because someone has disturbed their homes in the far north, or because the time is right to take back their original home? I'm betting on the latter, but we will see!
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    Winterfell - the Heart of Summer?

    The red rose has universal symbolic meaning, though, so when the symbol is being used you have to look at it in terms of that meaning too. If it were a blue rose, then use George's meaning, but you can't do that with everything. George does use some colour symbolism in patterns of his own making but I have yet to see someone come up with any consistent structure. Brienne's blue eyes don't make her an Other. You have to look at context.
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