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  1. Lady Rhodes

    [TV Show Spoilers] A theory about the ending.

    I 100% agree. My theory is that Aegon and Jon Con are going to take King's Landing and Dany burning King's Landing is actually going to be her taking it from Aegon, not Cersei. I think the show inadvertently gave this plot point away by naming the episode "The Bells". Only book readers (and at that, book readers who had recently read or reread Dance) would pick up on the fact that Jon Con is frequently haunted by the bells from The Battle of the Bells. I think those chapters are foreshadowing him trying to defend the city for Aegon while Dany burns it.
  2. Lady Rhodes

    So what was the third "oh shit" moment?

    This dovetails nicely into something that I have been kicking around since the show ended. In other threads of this forum, for the past couple of years, I have put forth a theory that I gathered from quotes from GRRM. Namely, he hoped to have Winds done by end of 2015 so it would be released in early 2016, before the show aired Season 6. He felt, at the time, that it was an achievable goal. For this goal to be achievable, I feel a substantial portion of the novel had to have been completed. But something started discouraging him. He mentioned in interviews that he grew unhappy with choices that he made. During that time, Season 5 of the show had been released. For the longest time, I suggested that Tyrion arriving before Dany had left Meereen was the discouraging point. For all the shows faults (and there are numerous in the later seasons), I felt that Tyrion arriving prior to Dany leaving Meereen was an excellent choice that better melded the Meereen/Essos arc. However, in light of the finale, I realize that this choice created a butterfly effect that makes it a difficult sell for Dany to burn King's Landing, which I believe is supposed to be the Third Twist. There are numerous blogs (the Meereense Blot and Politics of Ice and Fire both have thorough essays on the topic) have discussed Danaerys' mental state in Dance and that there is going to be a darker Dany in Winds of Winter. One of them, I cannot recall which at the time, suggested that her final chapter of Dance would be viewed, at the end, as one of the most pivotal chapters in the entire series. I had recently reread Dance before Season 8 came out, and I think this view lends credence to her turn. She is a desperate girl, wanting a home and the peace that home brings, but not finding belonging. Her hallucinations beckon her to remember who she is (Mother of Dragons) and her words (Fire and Blood). My thoughts are that we are going to see the characterization turning Daenerys into a villain start in Winds and continue throughout the series (though my hope is that she turns around by the end and realizes that Fire and Blood isn't the way either. *more on this below) The introduction of Tyrion in Meereen during Season 5 prevents her from going into this complete descent. So the show tried to force the book ending on the show, even though the show had made choices that made the book ending no longer plausible. That is the summation that I have come to. (**in another side note - I think Dany burning King's Landing is actually going to be against Aegon and Jon Con. Jon Con is frequently haunted by the sound of the bells from the Battle of the Bells, and I think that is foreshadowing the destruction of King's Landing that we saw in Season 8 (aptly titled, the Bells)
  3. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    This may have already been mentioned (I’ve been it of touch and behind on these posts) but Joffrey and Margaery’s Marriage may be of use for calculating dates both pre and post wedding. It occurred on the first day of the new year 300, correct?
  4. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    But that doesn’t account for trade. Jon negotiates a loan from the iron bank in order to do trade during winter, all the merchants from Pentod, Lys, Myr, Tyrosh are going to come over and say “man, you guys are having a long winter!” Under your assumptions, traders and merchants from Essos wouldn’t think it strange that Westeros has strange seasons and Westerosi would wonder why these traders find their seasons odd. There would have to be knowledge of supply and demand for shipping....I am doubtful of the claim that they just didn’t know the other continent had different seasonal variances. I think it’s mucch more likely that they have a different climate but still experience seasonal changes
  5. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    I understand that, but I think we would be seeing a mass migration from Westeros to Essos if that were true, and we aren’t seeing that. If anything, it is the opposite. The narrow sea voyage isn’t comparable to the Americas to Europe or Africa. It is a much quicker passage - i have seen estimate vary from a week to a month.
  6. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    I do see what you mean regarding the seasons in Essos. I’ve thought it odd myself. Alas, I think they must experience the seasonal changes the same as Westeros. Tyrion and Arya certainly talk about the weather and climate, but they don’t talk about how the seasons in Essos are drastically different from where they left. With the narrow sea being, well, narrow, I think we would have seen more migration from Westeros to Essos if Essos weren’t as affected by the seasonal changes. Instead, we see the latter.
  7. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    Very true... This could fit what I suggested earlier that the Night’s King was sacrificed to a weirwood and then he became an Other. I can by a certain amount of missionary work, so to speak. They are tasked with spreading their religion. But I don’t recall her referencing Thoros or he her. Can you honestly see Stannis searching for a red priestess/sorcerer/ shadowbinder, especially while Robert is still alive? Now, I could see Selyse doing it, but not Stannis. Ah, an excellent quote that does seem to settle the issue. I can’t see Thoros and Selyse being fast friends but if she was converted to the faith, she was probably easily won over by Melisandre when she appeared.
  8. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    I have an unusual theory about this. I don’t think Melisandre is a TRUE shadowbinder. Yes, she creates a shadow demon but Davos actually never uses the word shadowbinder in reference to it. He only refers to it as sorcery. She may be a soThe only time shadowbinder is used is by Tyrion and my the maester in the prologue. Both times it is used in a more derogatory manner, like a disparaging comment against those from Asshai. Quaithe is a known shadowbinder who wears a wooden mask but Melisandre wears no such mask. Perhaps I am mistaken but I understood shadowbinders to wear such masks.
  9. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    Excellent. Thank you for the textual source. So, if he has been Lord of Dragonstone for approximately 14 years, why has she only recently arrived? I accept that the lands to the east, such as Asshai, may not have thorough knowledge of the affairs of Westeros, but the discussions in Qarth make it seem like there is some knowledge, plus mercantile travel would still yield knowledge, especially with Stannis as Master of Ships.
  10. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    What it really boils down to is that we have limited information about the Others. We have seen them a handful of times (Game Prologue, Sam in Storm, Hardhome letter in Dance) We have a lot of circumstantial evidence to point to things but not a lot of concrete. Perhaps the Night’s King was tied to the Winterfell weirwood as a blood sacrifice to the Old Gods by his Stark brother after losing and something happened akin to what we were shown?
  11. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    I would agree with this timeline. I’ll be open. We will see how it is portrayed once it starts. For instance, the press release may have been comprised by someone at HBO unaffiliated with the project, only given a summary to write the release on, not realizing the bits they are picked from the summary make the whole thing sound off base.
  12. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    Interesting take. Did you see in my other reply to you regarding Stannis killing Renly being an inversion of the Lord of Winterfell killing his brother the Night’s King?
  13. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    When, exactly, did she come West? I have always been under the impression that she arrived recently, after Stannis left King’s Landing following Jon Arryn’s death. There is no mention of Mel being in King’s Landing while Stannis was there. Furthermore, he has been lord of Dragonstone since Robert became king, why did her interest pique now? I read something interesting that has intrigued me and provides answers for a few ASOIAF mysteries. The Prince that was Promised/Azor Ahai prophecies have become jumbled or broken with time. Parts are missing. I think in order for Azor Ahai to be reborn, Nissa Nissa does as well. In this case, we need TWO people to fill TWO roles. (Keep in mind, I’m not saying Daenerys can’t be Azor Ahai and Jon Nissa Nissa.) Also, regarding AA’s sacrifice of NN, the text says that all of her soul and warmth went into Lightbringer. I posit that NN becomes the female Other that the Night’s King falls in love and rules with. I also suspect that the Last Hero and AA are the same person. The last hero had 12 companions who joined him, making a total of 13. The Night’s King was the 13th Lord Commander. I think AA, who if my theory holds true may be a Stark since it is heavily implied the Night’s King was a Stark, is approached by his former love and gives into this temptation. (The whole Batman quote of you die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.) I suspect Quaithe may be guiding Daenerys on this dangerous path, though, albeit perhaps unintentionally. The talk of treasons feeds the Targaryen paranoia in her.
  14. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    I know we have discussed this in the past and that you have a different interpretation, but I think Azor Ahai and the Prince that was Promised is akin to the Greek and Roman gods, for instance. Zeus and Jupiter are the same, just different names in different cultures. AA is more of an "eastern"/Asshai name whereas the Prince that was Promised, I think, has Valyrian roots. To be fair, the show did this poorly, but if something similar happens in the books (RE: Dany's jealousy) I wouldn't be surprised. Throughout Dance (and the Meereenese Blot has excellent essays on this that even GRRM has said are well-done and that the author "got it") Daenerys has a growing paranoia - preoccupied with the treasons prophecy, etc. Not that there weren't legitimate attempts to thwart her rule! But the more I reflect on her chapters in Dance, it is her descending into a paranoid state that, as we know, has not behooved Targaryen's in the past. . So, I wouldn't say that she was jealous per se, but she saw how people loved Jon and flocked to him and raved about him and followed him, and I think that fed a paranoia that was already there. That said, I think the show did a piss poor job of showing this paranoia because that paranoia started when she heard the treason prophecies (which the show cut), and grew during the Meereen insurgency (which they failed to show her mental state during that time). Reminds me of Robert Frost's Fire and Ice poem. Interesting take! I like it. The road to hell being paved in good intentions and what not. But he is a king at the Night's Fort, and if the rumors of the Night's King being a Stark are true, the Night's King was killed by his brother, Lord Stark, but Stannis had his brother killed (Renly), which would be an inversion.
  15. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 223 and where we go from here

    Interesting! I hadn’t caught that! How does Patchface’s speech tie into this if we take underwater to mean North of the Wall?
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