Best Warrior in Westeros
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:33 PM
1) Gregor Clegane
2) Jaime Lannister
3) Loras Tyrell
4) Sandor Clegane
5) Old Barristan Selmy
At this point all these people are dead, possibly dead, crippled, headless, even older, etc. Who does that leave?
Gerold Dayne? Lyn Corbray? Victarion Greyjoy? Areo Hotah?
I guess the boring answer is "Robert Strong" (as an aside, I feel like Qyburn was about to introduce his undead creation to Ser Kevan, realized he'd forgotten to name him, then had exactly one second to think of something before Kevan got suspicious. Horrible name). But that's a bit of a copout since presumably the Mountain can't die twice.
There's obviously no right answer, but the right answer is Victarion Greyjoy. The epilogue of A Dream of Spring should be him and Areo Hotah fighting to the death on a sinking ship.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:41 PM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:42 PM
He would never ever defeat Jamie or his Brother, and I think even an old Baristan is able to defeat him.
He lost always agains the red Viper, Oberyn only died because he wanted him to confess that Tywin had given the orders to kill Elias kids.
The Mountain is big and strong, but nothing else. Not enough to win against a real skilled fighter!
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:45 PM
We also have very little evidence to suggest Loras Tyrell is really that great of a warrior. Garlan Tyrell is and definitely belongs at least in the Top 10, but Loras is more of tourney jouster. We have very little to go on suggesting Loras is that great in a real fight.
I'd definitely also give nods to Corbray, Victarion, Rolland Storm, Randyll Tarly, Jason Mallister, even Brienne...Darkstars abilities are still questionable at this time.
Edited by RenlyIsNotRight, 19 February 2013 - 03:45 PM.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:48 PM
Edited by eggs, 19 February 2013 - 03:52 PM.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:53 PM
I never really rated Gregor per say at the top of my list. He is large and strong, can decimate any Joe Bloggs, but as shown by Oberyn and as Bronn stated anyone with speed can topple him. I think an un-drunk Sandor had the right combination of strength with enough speed to be a deadlier all-rounder.
Oh, and Brienne.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:56 PM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:06 PM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:07 PM
Bronn suggests that he might be able to beat Gregor, but he does not consider it a battle worth attempting due to the danger involved.
That said, the circumstances of the battle determine far more what happens than minute differences in skill. Oberyn Martell was clearly the more skilled fighter, but he lost to Gregor rather spectacularly, after playing around with him for quite a while.
But that is really an aside. The best current warrior may be Areo Hotah. Garlan Tyrell is a notable contestant (simply due to the comparison of him with Loras), as is Barristan the Bold. Brienne is not quite up there, though she is ahead of most everyone else. There is too little information on any of the rest to give proper determination, though the lack of information may itself be an indicator.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:11 PM
Is that one of Jaime's squires further on?
EDIT: Also about Gregor, when I said 'anyone' I meant in the top charts of our lists, not a particularly fast Joe Bloggs.
Edited by The Titan's Legitimate Son, 19 February 2013 - 04:13 PM.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:20 PM
1. Wun Wun
2. Ser Berristan, look until someone actually beats the guy, he's the guy even at 3 and 60.
3. Jamie he is gonna go all Half Hand sooner or later. Then it's back to the top.
4. Mance, totally underrated, Jon was not even a warm up, and as Tormund points out he has killed a hell of a lot of people and others. He didn't become king beyond the wall for his sweet personality.
15. Bree/Obara Bree is not as good in a real fight as she is in a tourney but still pretty bad ass.
200,760. Darkstar, could not even kill a undefended child. Fore shame Darkstar, fore shame.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:23 PM
I don't believe that there necessarily is one supreme warrior in Westeros; only dragons truly bestow such power. In their absence, different warriors would be better suited to different conditions.
Of course, 'warrior' doesn't have to mean combatant: it could mean general. In which case, Stannis Baratheon and Randyll Tarly are both mentioned in text as being the leaders in the field.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:27 PM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:38 PM
So maybe it should be: 1) Best swordsman (i.e. single combat), 2) Best battlefield asset, 3) Best commander
Edited by Fat of the Canals, 19 February 2013 - 04:47 PM.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:42 PM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:50 PM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:58 PM
Off topic: How good of a fighter is Ilyn Payne? I know he beets Jaime while their training but Jaime is fighting with his left arm so he`s in a disadvantage...