Othersrcute Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I'm hoping Robert Glover will be in command. The mistake that people said he made was ordered of him by Roose. Confusing grammer... let me try again. Roose commanded Glover to attack where Glover thought was too far away and would get him trapped.Greatjon is awesome but I doubt he would be all that great as a stategic/tactical mastermind, his idea of a battle plan would be: "Scout, where is the enemy?", "That way sir!", "Chaaaaarrrrrrggge!!!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Penguin Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Bastard gone pirate with strongest units of Royal Fleet is still lower on the radar than bastard going for... Whomever.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drayrock Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 I'm hoping Robert Glover will be in command. The mistake that people said he made was ordered of him by Roose. Confusing grammer... let me try again. Roose commanded Glover to attack where Glover thought was too far away and would get him trapped.Greatjon is awesome but I doubt he would be all that great as a stategic/tactical mastermind, his idea of a battle plan would be: "Scout, where is the enemy?", "That way sir!", "Chaaaaarrrrrrggge!!!!!!"I more so mean like he will be influential in getting the north to rally with Jon snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montey14 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 The Great John is a great character....but how and who will spring him free from the dungeons at the Twins? Although she doesn't seem particularly courageous and is pregnant...perhaps Roslyn will aid in the Great Johns excape somehow ...just as Arya broke out Roose and the other norhterners at Harrenhall. Just a thought ...as a seige on the twins seems highly unlikey while Stannis and the other Northmen are preoccupied with taking back Winterfell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix Stark Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Imagine a Northern army behind Jon with his advisers being Tormund and the Greatjon. Just imagine how their conversations would go.A lot of talking about "members" and lengths and whatnot. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seppuku Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Greatjon is the natural military leader for Northern troops. He could lead Jon's vanguard :). The other competent Northerners are kind of gone. There still are the Glovers, but they don't look like great generals.Tormund > Greatjon. SorryI really couldn't care less about Loras. I'm glad he 'vanished'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drayrock Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Tormund > Greatjon. SorryI really couldn't care less about Loras. I'm glad he 'vanished'.Idk we never seem him fight all that much. I want to see what he's cracked up to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Idk we never seem him fight all that much. I want to see what he's cracked up to beWe've actually been told that he's really not a badass fighter at all, Mance brings it up by calling him a trumpeting fraud or something, he doesn't say it in a mean way I got the impression he felt the same way as Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayard Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Tormund > Greatjon. SorryWell, it's not nice to make comparisons like that between family :). You know Tormund's wife was an Umber, right? :)). He has a son Toregg the Tall :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Penguin Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 The Great John is a great character....but how and who will spring him free from the dungeons at the Twins? Although she doesn't seem particularly courageous and is pregnant...perhaps Roslyn will aid in the Great Johns excape somehow ...just as Arya broke out Roose and the other norhterners at Harrenhall. Just a thought ...as a seige on the twins seems highly unlikey while Stannis and the other Northmen are preoccupied with taking back WinterfellOptions:1. Roslyn. Unlikely, she'd be guarded ands she's Frey.2. Himself. Hard to do.3. BwB, during prisoner transfer. Risky, but doable. But it seems there is no prisoner transfer to KL and RW prisoners are still in Twins.4. BwB, in Twins. Risky, but doable. Freys would open the gate for Lord Commander of the Kingsguard with escort, on the run from BwB ambush... And then the escort turns out to be outlaws in Lannister livery... But any way it happens, GreatJon would act true to his sigil. And any Frey trying to put him down would probably find he's a bit too tough to cut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bent branch Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Great Jon will return to the story once the hostages have been freed. I have no idea about when that might be.As for Loras, I have recently been reconsidering what is going on with Loras. I feel certain he is not severely injured on Dragonstone. I have three different scenarios rolling around in my head. My non-crackpot answer is he is in the Reach fighting the ironborn. My second (crackpot) idea is that he is fine somewhere else doing something else (really don't want to say). My third (profoundly crackpot) idea is that he is actually dead. I don't want to say what I think the last two ideas are yet because I'm re-reading to see if the ideas I have are even possible. I have a feeling that my ideas are going to get wilder and further off base the longer I wait for TWOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drayrock Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 We've actually been told that he's really not a badass fighter at all, Mance brings it up by calling him a trumpeting fraud or something, he doesn't say it in a mean way I got the impression he felt the same way as Jon.I'm talking about Loras...we've definitely been told he's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnergeticCrab Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think Loras is still kickin' and scheming something...According to Waters, during the battle Loras was first hit with a quarrel in the thigh, then one through the shoulder, then had his ribs broken by a mace, but kept fighting at the front of the assault until he was hit with boiling water. This seems an excessive amount of injuries to sustain while continuing to fight in the vanguard of an intense assault, even for Loras.Kevan Lannister notes that, despite his injuries, Loras has been personally searching Dragonstone. This would seem rather difficult to do for someone who had sustained the injuries described by Waters.http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Loras_Tyrell/TheoriesDunno about GreatJon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I agree that it seems unlikely that Loras is as gravely injured as suggested. For me Cersei represents hubris and essentially playing the game badly and Loras Tyrell's injuries were just too covenient, events played out exactly as she had anticipated/hoped and frankly that's just not consistent with her character. It seems the Queen of Thorns is the real puppet master of the Tyrell family and she is strangely quiet in high garden throughout aDwD, I feel Loras' "injuries" could all be part of a Queen of Thorns plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Zee Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 As far as Loras goes, I partially of the belief that he isn't mortally injured. Then he could champion Margarey. But on the other side of the coin he'd be fighting Ungregor and I don't see him winning, that would make it pointless for Ungregor to even be made. So if he is alive and well and this does happen then I imagine Ungregor will win causing even more strife between the two families of the throne now. you've made a misinterpretation here. the accused's champion fight's the faith's champion. If Loras championed Marg he'd be fighing someone chosen by the High Septon, who would NOT be a KG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix Stark Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 you've made a misinterpretation here. the accused's champion fight's the faith's champion. If Loras championed Marg he'd be fighing someone chosen by the High Septon, who would NOT be a KG.But isn't Margaery having a regular trial, not a trial-by-battle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Zee Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 But isn't Margaery having a regular trial, not a trial-by-battle?correct.but the OP postulates that Loras will champion Marg and fight Sir Robert Strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix Stark Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 correct.but the OP postulates that Loras will champion Marg and fight Sir Robert Strong.So... I'm not getting why Loras will need to champion for her then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drayrock Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 correct.but the OP postulates that Loras will champion Marg and fight Sir Robert Strong.You're right. My bad. She is having a reg trial. totally forgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imagine Balerion Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Imagine a Northern army behind Jon with his advisers being Tormund and the Greatjon. Just imagine how their conversations would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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