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  1. bent branch

    Cutting tongues.

    Nah, he changed it after he gave Mel a POV chapter.
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    Cutting tongues.

    Your post reminds me that GRRM has said that Varys is the most misunderstood character and that he can't have a POV because he knows too much about what is happening. I can't wait to learn what it is he knows.
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    Cutting tongues.

    "I am no man's creature. I took the eunuch's gold, yes. I learned some ciphers and wrote some letters, but that was all—" ASOS - Daenerys IV (Thank you A Search of Ice and Fire.com for the quote) This small bit of text goes by so quickly that many miss Varys is having his operatives use a secret code to communicate.
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    Cutting tongues.

    Exactly. The degree of certainty people exhibit about what Rhaegar was doing or thinking really amazes me. Not only that, I think the evidence given to support certain beliefs about Rhaegar actually indicate the opposite of what is often proposed. Here are some examples: This section of text is often quoted as evidence that Rhaegar was the wealthy individual behind Harrenhal and that Rhaegar was already working to depose his father. I think it shows exactly the opposite. I think it shows Rhaegar hadn't done anything yet. I take this as evidence that someone else was behind Harrenhall. Furthermore, I see this as evidence that it was Tywin who was behind Harrenhall. Why? Because the only thing that was really accomplished at Harrenhal was that Jaime was taken as a hostage against Tywin. Furthermore, this section argues against the rumor that Rhaegar and Aerys were in two opposing camps since Rhaegar seems very concerned with Aerys feelings. If Rhaegar were at odds during this time, it would make a paranoid Aerys' selection of Jon Connington as a hand inexplicable.One last piece of evidence that there was no split between Rhaegar and Aerys during this time is what Barristan has to say about the rumors of the split (ADWD-Chapter 67): What this section of text reveals is that Barristan was not part of the inner circle so he didn't have any special knowledge of what Rhaegar was up to at Harrenhal. Therefore, the only thing Barristan can reveal to us is what the rumor was at the time. It is possible that this rumor was correct. However, there are two alternative explanations for what was behind Harrenhal. Alternative explanation number one is that it was an attempt to flush out potential traitors. In other words, draw in many lords and then have Aerys show up at the last minute to see people's reactions. Alternative explanation number two is that Harrenhal was a trap to destroy Rhaegar. In this scenario, Tywin pays for the tourney in order to make it appear that Rhaegar was trying to depose his father. If Tywin could have Rhaegar executed as a traitor, he would have a second chance at making Cersei a queen by having her married to the new heir-apparent, Viserys. I actually favor this scenario since I think it is significant that Tywin, Rickard, Hoster and Jon Arryn didn't attend. These are all individuals whose loyalty was later questioned. The reason they wouldn't go was so they couldn't be associated with Rhaegar's downfall. So, there are at least three scenarios to explain Harrenhal. The fact that most readers jump on the rumor offered as an explanation is problematic. So, what does this all have to do with Varys? The answer is, if Aerys and Rhaegar had not ever actually had a falling out, then when Varys is helping Aerys he is helping Rhaegar. There is no reason, other than a rumor, to believe that Varys was working against Rhaegar at any point.
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    Cutting tongues.

    What annoys me is how people say that Varys lies and, therefore, they can say anything they want about Varys. GRRM would never make everything about Varys a lie. It wouldn't be proper foreshadowing for one thing.
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    Another Dance of the dragons?

    Patchface is different than the individuals raised by fire or ice. Patchface has aged since he was found on the beach, indicating his body functions like a living being. Therefore, it indicates that he was actually resurrected rather than reanimated. Thus Patchface was either truly returned to life or was never really dead. Here is the description of Beric from Chapter 39 - ASOS: I know this is a long quote, but it demonstrates that Beric was raised immediately upon his death and that none of his wounds have healed, not even the oldest ones. This indicated that Beric's body does not function like a living one. There is another quote where Ayra describes how Beric doesn't eat or sleep. This is why I wouldn't want to see this happen to Jon. He wouldn't really be alive.
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    Another Dance of the dragons?

    It doesn't matter how long the person is dead. Thoros brought Beric back almost immediately yet his wounds didn't heal and he stopped eating and sleeping. His mental condition became worse with each successive raising, but Beric was just a reanimated corpse from the first raising. Much like Coldhands. And Melisandre would use much the same technique as Thoros I'm sure.
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    Another Dance of the dragons?

    Well the ones who stabbed him were two stewards and a builder. Who the fourth person might have been we don't know. In real life, many people survive shootings and stabbings. When I was eight, my five year old brother was playing with a sharp knife from the kitchen. When I tried to take it away from him, he accidentally stabbed me in the neck. Since we lived rurally, it took over an hour for me to get to a doctor. When we arrived, the doctor said it was lucky I had rolling veins, since when my brother stabbed me, my jugular vein had rolled away from the knife entering my neck. Because of this, my jugular had gotten only a tiny nick and I was bleeding out very slowly. The point to this is that an injury doesn't necessarily equal death. The only person who has died in their own POV in the story is Catelyn (minus prologues and epilogues). Everyone else we have learned about their death from another POV. Many readers have been caught out by this. I myself was convinced Theon was dead. I was wrong. So Jon isn't dead story wise until we see his dead body from someone else's POV. I'm just saying. I will admit I don't want Jon to be dead because if Melisandre raises him, Jon will just be an animated corpse, not a living being. I think it would be terrible if Jon were a Beric or Catelyn for the rest of the story.
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    Narrative Wise, Did Robb Need to be a King?

    Having thought about this a lot, my opinion is yes, narrative wise Robb did have to be a king. The North and Riverlands breaking off like they did wasn't ever viable, but Robb being pushed into this position by other lords meant he had fewer options as to courses he could take. This pushed Robb to his, imo, inevitable death. Robb being declared king was what really destroyed House Stark.
  10. bent branch

    Another Dance of the dragons?

    Jon hasn't even died yet.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    Actually, the one thing I really blame GRRM for is that he didn't tell D&D about where he intended for the characters to go as soon as he agreed to let them go the adaptation. I feel that if D&D knew where the story was supposed to be heading from the beginning then they would have had a better shot at writing a more consistent adaptation. Where I feel D&D failed is that they decided to throw out large parts of AFFC and ADWD. I think they fell into that group of people who felt these two books were a departure from the main storyline. I think GRRM had faith the D&D would have faith in the story and use more of what was actually written. And I think D&D didn't have faith that those two books would be relevant and threw out much of those two books. This is where GRRM telling them where the story was meant to end from the beginning would have helped immensely. imo
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    Another Dance of the dragons?

    I know you think what you are saying makes sense. However, it is irrational for you to be expecting Stannis to be running around the north like a madman talking about mythical beings and prophecies. We saw how well that worked for the Targaryens. For instance, what you are refusing to acknowledge that when Stannis is talking to the Wildlings he is talking to people who KNOW the others are real and moving south. Practically no one south of the Wall believes in the Others, wights, etc. Marwyn warned Sam to not talk about these things unless he wanted to end up dead. Seriously, Stannis is doing the best thing he can in eliminating the threat from the south so that he can so he can turn his attention north. And what the question for Dany is, if she genuinely believes that there is a threat in the north that is occurring right now is it a moral choice to first head south to take a throne even YOU are saying will probably be filled to most people's satisfaction with Aegon?
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    Loras’s Burning – A Humbling Moment

    While my ideas on the taking of Dragonstone are currently under renovation, here are some of the pieces I'm manipulating: 1) Aurane's story is Aurane's story. We don't know if anyone ever backed up Aurane's story. His is simply the only story we have been told about the incident. 2) Whatever the truth of the situation, it is now known. In the Epilogue of ADWD, Kevan and Mace speak quite casually about Dragonstone. If there was a lie it was a fleeting one. 3) The men "killed" in Aurane's story could very well still be on Dragonstone. Since Aurane took the ships, there is no way to retrieve them. In a nutshell, Aurane could have told a lie, but even if it were revealed it wouldn't really change anything at this point. And one other thing that I'm not sure of is how Aurane took all of the ships only six days later when he said he didn't have enough crew for all of them. Could some of them come from the Westermen on Dragonstone? I don't know. I'm still trying to eliminate that possibility. Basically, I'm saying that lie only had to stand for six days at the most, if it was a lie.
  14. bent branch

    Another Dance of the dragons?

    I have said that I think the question is much simpler than you think. I don't want to get into an argument about whether it is reasonable or not to expect Stannis to try get people who think the Others are myth to make common cause with him. Even the clans are only helping to "get Ned's little girl back". I predict an acrimonious exchange if we take this any further.
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    Loras’s Burning – A Humbling Moment

    No, you are right. That would be the motivation for pretending they were killed, rather than just returning them to Kingslanding.
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