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  1. Tywin's prep time is not much different to Edmure's or Robb's. More money and a more experienced leader will give Tywin certain advantages compared to his peers when it comes to having troops ready to go.
  2. He's Tywin's nephew. The nephew of the most powerful Lord in the realm, the cousin to the Queen of Westeros. He's also respected given how the Blackfish talks of him and his eventual rise to Warden of the West. Some Lords may favor diplomacy and Daven, a resident of the Rock on good terms with his uncle Tywin and cousin Cersei, seems like an excellent choice for any ambitious Lord seeking favor in his lifetime. Daven is a hugely valuable prize for most Houses, a better prize than many heirs throughout the realm, who are either from less prestigious Houses or may be waiting decades before they inherit. Real life history was full of Daven equivelants who got valuable marriages based on the proximity to the mover and shakers of the realm. One such example is Francis Bryan, second cousin to Anne Boelyn and Catherine Howard who married Lady Fitzgerald, the heiress of the Earl of Desmond. Charles Brandon, the son of a Knight, became one of the leading powers during the rule of Henry VIII thanks to the advantageous marriages that he had.
  3. They backed the Lannisters because of the Crown, not because of Tywin. It is just as possible that without Tywin they'd be more enthusiastic to make the deal, given an even greater chance to secure a larger part of power. Not exactly. Kevan was more than prepared to step into Tywin's shoes, but he wanted Cersei removed from the children and Kings Landing, like Tywin had planned at the end of ASOS. Kevan had not just lost Tywin, but one son and another on his deathbed. Lancel revealed his relationship with Cersei and this is part of the reason why Kevan leaves. Also, and this is pretty pertinent, the war was pretty much over when Kevan left. His reasons to stick around had decreased.
  4. Why do you think Ned, ,Rickard and their other predecessors have not thought of this? Do you think they are not very bright? That every Stark Lord has been a dumbass who has no concept of economics, no desire to be wealthier, for his people to be wealthier? Most of what you are suggesting is likely untenable for the North, that it simply does not have the finances to do what you suggest.
  5. The last two books have not been published yet, it is far too early to call reading them a waste of time. I personally see Bran becoming King as unrealistic in the setting that GRRM has established in the previous five books and all the accompanying material but I don't know how it happens (or even if it does).
  6. I don't think Isaac is lying, I don' think the producers are lying. I think it may be possible that the Bran becoming King was part of the original outline of the book series, the same outline that had Jaime be king at some point. We really have no idea if that information came from the 2006 meetings between them and GRRM or a much later date or if it set in stone. I don't think its true that they disliked his storyline, they just did not know what to do with it. It is possible that Bran's storyline is much, much bigger in the TWOW, with its own large cast of characters and events separate from the show and the producers did not have the time or budget to properly film it. Unless Bran starts manipulating his way to become King I'm not sure how a random person being named in a Grand Council meeting in the (I'm guessing last or penultimate chapter) of a seven series saga is that important to the series as whole. The way the show framed it anyone at the Council meeting could have been picked and it would have made as much sense as Bran. Bran being picked or not being picked changes nothing from every minute of the show before that moment. The term Endgame is about everything that came before led to this moment, that is not the case of Bran becoming King, it was entirely inconsequential.
  7. Maybe we will be getting that 5 year gap at some point in the next two books. It would certainly explain the delay.
  8. They swore vows to Aerys, the broke those vows and swore vows to Robert. Lords and Houses break vows, that is what the Lords of the Riverlands have done. Who gave vows to Robb that they'd accept a bastard with no Tully blood as their King? In fact which Lords made Robb the King and which of those Lords are still alive and in power by the end of ADWD and which will break their new oath to the Crown? The Darry kid is dead, Edmure is out of power, the Freys are clearly no longer a fan of Robb as King, Lord Vypren and Lord Charlton aided the Freys at the Red Wedding, House Whent no longer exists, House Bracken was one of the first to jump ship and spent 6 months fighting for the Crown. Blackwood, Piper, (1) Vance and Mallister may be the only current Lords who swore Robb as their king. They did and then they renounced them when they made new vows to the Crown. Robb's been dead for a year in the books. Why has no one in the North or the Rivelands called Jon King? Jon may well be King, another Stark may well become King but it won't be because of Robb's will. There was two Houses still resisting. Blackfish at Riverrun, since captured and now flying the Baratheon sigil for Tommen and House Blackwood waiting for Jaime to get victory as they did not want the Blackwoods to claim it. No Lords in the Riverlands are under the Direwolf standard per the events of the Jaime chapters in AFFC and ADWD. Robb was their king for months. And after saving the nobles at Riverrun he abandoned them and did nothing to help them while the Northmen under Roose and the Karstark men raped and plundered from the local populace. The Riverlands were as sick of the Wolves as they were the Lions in the books. https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=wolves+lions Robb's reign as King is not something that is going to be remembered fondly in the Riverlands.
  9. Given many of the Lords who agreed to crown Robb as their king are no longer Lords or have since sworn new oaths of fealty it does not make sense that they'd agree to follow Jon and reignite another war in the books. Robb made sense He was half Tully He was betrothed to a Riverlander He saved some of the Lords at Riverrun They needed him to stick around while they were at war with the Lannisters His army was with him Jon does not make sense to become their king. Aegon makes more sense as does Dany but unless Jon is riding a dragon I see no reason the Riverland lords are going to want him as King in the books.
  10. The Riverlands swore fealty to the Crown after Robb's death. Robb's heirs claim on the Riverlands is gone, it died with him at the Red Wedding.
  11. I've gone over a lot why Bran being elected does not make sense but one part I did not bring up is that in the books Bran is 10. He is still going to be a teenager by the time the books are over. The previous Kings in the books will be Joffrey; on being crowned the War of the Five Kings breaks out, Tommen during his reign the Golden Company attack, the Ironborn attack, war reignites in the North He is likely to be replaced by either Aegon or Dany, which in turn means another invasion via Essos While either Tommen, Aegon or Dany are on the Throne or fighting for the Throne the Others attack either the North or even further They are all basically children in the eyes of the Lords and Ladies of Westeros, two of them with mysterious backgrounds. Electing another child after the devastation that has happened to the realm after the last 5plus years of being ruled by children seems bizarre. They'd want stability, not revolution. Obviously from a literary viewpoint Bran being made King to rebuild the Realm is poetic, the saga begins and ends with a Bran the Builder, but its a little on the nose and makes little sense from the perspective of the characters who inhabit the world.
  12. eh? He is crippled and he is impotent and he lives in a time when their society was heavily prejudiced against such disabilities. Thankfully we live in far more enlightened time, but the people in the books don't and there is zero indication that these people are going to turn around at the end of the series and suddenly be okay with being ruled by such a person. I really don't understand what you mean here? This topic is about what the show means for the book. lol I'm now a bigot for stating the a disability of a fictional character? Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
  13. Depends who is still left alive at the end of the series. Sansa is a better choice, she's healthy, presumably fertile and if she marries another noble from a major House we have a repeat of the end of the War of the Roses were a union between Lancaster and Stark ended the war. Sansa may be the Westerosi Elizabeth of York and Edric Storm (with both a Baratheon and distant Targaryen claim) may be its Henry Tudor. Alternatively Arianne and Aegon may be Westeros' Elizabeth and Henry if they go that route. But with two books to go its impossible to say which nobles will still be alive and which Houses will have clout. By the end of the show the Reach had 'no one left in it' while the North kept on re-spawning their armies. This is not going to happen in the books, there are going to be many Houses at the end, not just the Starks and their closest allies. I have my doubts. The story is not about who wins the Throne. It might be a character who has largely been unimportant, it might be a character who only rises in prominence in the last book or two. The last two seasons of the show were less about development and more about twist. Jon and/or Dany were expected to win the throne. Bran was such an outsider that Brienne suggested it as the show was about shock and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau correctly pointed out it made zero sense. As will many nobles, many better options than Bran, the cripple, impotent Northern child.
  14. Unless GRRM is planning more books detailing the future then that is an impossible call to make. Regardless of who ends up on the Throne we the reader will have no idea how seminal it is. Some might, but GRRM's based these people on our own middle ages. Creating heirs was the single most important part of the job for a ruler, pushing out those heirs as quickly as possible is just a part of their mindset. Fertility is very important. I'm not sure how the events of this series are going to suggest that the Ironborn's elective process is a better scenario. Maybe Euron will be hugely admired by the end of the series and they will want another leader elected but I have my doubts. And if they did suddenly think of this as a feature how would this possibly work in future? Would noble Houses start castrating evert other son to have them be in with a chance to be King? How did that work out for the Ironborn? The children of elected kings still make a claim, often the Kings will be the ones who make make sure their chosen heirs have the support of the majority. Monarchies advanced from the Witenań°emot, elective monarchies are a step back, not a step forward. In the books they are no more respected than the likes of the Arryns, Martells, Hightowers, Lannisters etc. But there are Houses with distant claims to the Throne such as the Martells, Tarths and likely many others. However the idea that the North gets to go independent and the South still appoint an underage, impotent, cripple from House Stark beggars belief. The Faith has a problem with Stannis, who was brought up with the Seven because of his connection with the Red God. Why would they accept Bran? The King worshipping another God is not good for the Faith, it causes their flock to diminish or to be angry with the Faith for supporting such a man of a different Faith. There is a reason that Aegon and his heirs adopted the Faith, even with Dragons, they realized it was easier that way. He has a better education than the majority of the population, he has a lesser education than many of the nobility. The Lords of the Realm are not overly concerned with an education from a Maester, they are concerned with their educations in warfare. Being able to lead men, to inspire it. To the readers of the book a man like Robert is an oaf, but he is far, far closer to the ideal than Bran or Sam. Lords don't want this. Not after the regent wars of Aegon III. It's why Egg was appointed over his nephew and niece. Being easily controlled is bad in this society for the majority because others may use the monarch as their puppet. I can. Its a twist and the show long abandoned character development for shock. If it gets people talking they'd include it. Do you think Bronn inheriting the Reach is also down to GRRM?
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