King Ned Stark

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  1. I thought that was the reason they showed him eyeing the bag of gold that spilled. He realizes that Cersei won't honor any reward promised him, so it's either save Jaime or be right back where he started when he met Tyrion.
  2. Samwell_Tarly - Yeah, I don't know, I just assumed that it was the beginning of Dany starting to trust Jon, possibly leading to her trusting him above the others. I assumed it was D&D using it as a way to get the two closer, after all of her other advisors "failed" her. After all, the others felt it too dangerous for her to go personally, and we have Jon earlier in the series saying that everyone will fight, men and women, so I think it was a combination of what Dany wanted (using her dragons to hurt her enemies), and Jon's advice (that doing that to non-combatants would be ill-advised and "more of the same") , and his strategy to hit the Lannisters where it would hurt but could also be somewhat justified.
  3. She asked Jon's advice, therefore I think it was Jon's advice. As LucyMormont said, break their supply line and weaken the enemy, without burning cities or civilians. It resembles Jon giving Stannis military advice in the books, and that gave Stannis cause to trust Jon more. Perhaps this will serve as the same.
  4. I didn't know that about the quote from King Kong, and then an announcement 30 days later. Perhaps it is close, thanks. Or I just got sucked back in.
  5. As someone whose has been reading the series since 1996, I'm at the point where I just assume the series will never be finished, and I'll have to rely upon the show for some kind of resolution. I was understanding of the 5 year gap and the Mereenese knot, but now the 3rd consecutive book taking 5 plus years, seems, to me, something more than just reconciling plot problems. As to the Babylon post, I would say it was ill advised. I would appreciate any kind of update, if not that, then complete silence.
  6. 1 Bran? 2 Mance?
  7. Jon Snow needed to accomplish three things (for a start) for the NW to have a chance to repel an invasion by the Others and protect the realms of men. 1. Gather able bodies to fight, which he did, by forging an alliance with the Free Folk, and thus robbing the Others of thousands of wights. 2. Find a way to feed that army, which he did, by negotiating a loan agreement with the Iron Bank. 3. Depose the Boltons, who helped destabilize the north, the only part of seven kingdoms that care for the well-being of the NW, which he was working on by utilizing his newly acquired wildling army who were not constrained by oaths of the NW. Jon's arc in aDwD, from what I read, was of one of the few people that was fighting the right war, against supernatural ice creatures with a horde of zombies that seem intent on destroying all life. His was a role of leadership, he was nation-building; forging alliances with former enemies to combat a common and more dangerous enemy, trying to make the NW more self sufficient by creating a working economy and resettling lands that had largely gone to waste. His two great crimes seem to be pardoning Mance (who knows more about the Others than virtually everyone else in the series and is great at infiltration), and sending him to rescue his sister, a young teenage girl who was kidnapped and forced to marry against her will to solidify the north.
  8. I'm not really sure, per the theory, IIRC, only lords can vote during a Great Council, Rhaegar and Aerys would both pull votes from the Targaryen base, while Robert would have most of the Stormlands, most of the Riverlands, most of the Vale, and all of the north. Yeah, while it was a risk, it was a calculated one; if they figured (and maybe rightly so) that Aerys would come in third and would not have the power base to seek revenge, and IF Rhaegar did eek out a victory, it would be close enough that he would not seek retribution either. And, they would have 4 of the 7 kingdoms in the bag, mostly.
  9. I never really liked the "everyone is gray so there is no good or bad people" argument. Sure everyone is gray to the point that no one is perfect, or evil incarnate. But two of your examples, Jon and Ramsay. Jon is a guy I could see myself following, which is pretty rare in the real world. And Ramsay would be a guy that I would think needs to be killed immediately, which again, IMHO, is pretty rare in the real world. A story still has to have heros and villians, it's still just a story, and GrrM isn't reinventing the wheel when it comes to writing books.
  10. The best theory I've seen on that is by @SFDanny, I think, which goes something like this; Rickard (and by extensin, Brandon) were giving Rhaegar the impression that they would support him if he called a Great Council to unseat Aerys, but were secretly gonna double cross him and put Robert's name forth, and let the two Targs bleed votes off each other while the Stark bloc (Stark, Baratheon, Tully, Arryn) would vote in Robert. Lyanna told him of Brandon's plans after he tracked her down for being the KotLT.
  11. Wanting to kill Jon for wanting to save a teenage girl who was kidnapped, tortured, and raped? And for wanting to depose a man (Ramsay) who kidnaps, tortures, and rapes women? I understand the thinking that a character is boring, cliche, etc. But saying Jon Snow deserves to die? Did he technically break the law? I think so, maybe. But I agree completely. If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, it is his duty to do so.
  12. 1 Just as Tyrion was able to demand a trial by combat from Lysa, was just curious if Ned would feel compelled to grant the same if it happened in Winterfell. 2 The 3 "trials", if u can call them that, Gared fleeing the NW, Jorah selling slaves, and Gregor raiding the RL.
  13. I had never really thought about it, but is trial by combat as big a thing in the north as the south. Seems to be more of a faith of the seven/knightly thing now that I do think about it. I don't think Ned would be a big proponent of trial by combat, but whether he would permit it or not is the question. He presides over three "trials" that we know, two in book and one in the past. All three he found guilty fairly quickly, two of those were nobility whose crimes were against the smallfolk.
  14. I lean towards it being a fabrication by Aerys/Varys, as a way to move against Rickard Stark and his "co-conspirators" and keep it more palatable for the high lords. If indeed the real events differed from the story, it was carefully constructed by Martin. We learn from Ned that Brandon had more than a touch of the wolf blood, which is to say he was rash and bold. But he had days, probably weeks to contemplate his actions upon arriving at Kings Landing. We also learn from Ned that Brandon was groomed to rule, and going himself, with a group of lords' sons, he potentially would keep his father out of a tenuous situation. Rickard would still be alive and free in the north to declare war or sue for peace as needed, with two heirs should Brandon himself be executed. Another thing, as the Fattest Leech pointed out, Jaime was drunk and vulnerable, and likely not present to actually here the "come out and die". I think this is important for two reasons. First, while Jaime is always brash, in this scene, he comes across as particularly arrogant and defiant, because, I think, he is vulnerable and unsure. Secondly, I always thought that Jaime had a "Ned complex", but after re-reading that chapter, its possible that he had a Stark complex. Brandon's actions in the throne room, fearless and defiant, would greatly impress a young Jaime. And indeed, a drunken Jaime tells Catelyn that Brandon was more like him (Jaime) than his brother Ned. Jaime could have been projecting how he thought he would react (come out and die) upon the situation if his sister had been kidnapped. Also, we have the mystery of why Ethan Glover was spared by the Mad King. The best reason that I can come up with, is to coerce Brandon into lying about something. It's the same scenario Martin put Ned through. Ned was willing to face execution rather than lie, until they threatened him with Sansa. Glover was Brandon's squire, and a great friend to Ned.
  15. Possibly, but, either she is lying to Theon, which makes her story unreliable, or she is still nursing a grievance against the Starks seventeen years later to the point that she wants to desecrate a man's bones, which IMHO, makes her story unreliable.