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  1. Good point about Elia probably not knowing about the marriage. Elia is also listed as very sickly and frail after the last birth. I don't think she was very active. Probably bedridden and stayed indoors more often than not. She probably did feel spurned but the Dornish are described as very sexual. Everyone of em had paramours & such. So maybe she was understanding? Part of me also questions Ashara Dayne's "stillbirth"... I always wondered if her baby was used in a baby swap with Elia's if Elia was the one who actually had the stillbirth...
  2. I don't think she became Rhaegar's mistress. I think she became his 2nd wife. Now you can preach about how wrong polygamy is/was and how it was no longer practiced but the first Aegon married both his sisters. So I think Rhaegar would do whatever it took to fulfill the prophecy that he believed that The Prince That Was Promised would be one of his children. Elia almost died giving birth to baby Aegon. It was said that she would be unable to bear anymore children. Now, I personally think that Elia, knowing her situation consented to Rhaegar taking another wife. As for Elia & Rhaegar, their marriage was arranged. I don't think that they truly fell in love with each other. But you never heard tales of Rhaegar being a womanizer like Robert. He's always described as thoughtful, maybe a little somber or melancholy, but fair and honest. And that's from everybody. Be it Barristan, Jamie, Cersei, and even Ned never has a dark thought about Rhaegar. If he felt Rhaegar kidnapped and raped his sister and started a war that led to his father and brother being tortured and murdered, don't you think he would have some animosity towards him? Go back and read Ned's chapters in Thrones. When he thinks of Rhaegar, there is no sense of hatred. Now, as for Rhaegar & Lyanna, I don't think Rhaegar randomly picked her out to fulfill a prophecy. I think he genuinely fell in love with her and it all came from the events at the Tourney at Harrenhal. I believe that Lyanna was the Mystery knight that defended Howland Reed's honor. Rhaegar was tasked with finding and revealing this knights identity. I believe he found the knight and found out it was Lyanna and he was awestruck that a young lady could be so fierce and tough and honorable. He fell in love with her for her character and spirit not just her looks. I think that's what makes the love genuine. In conclusion, I think after the tourney, Rhaegar researched and found that maybe a mixture of Valyrian/Targaryen and First Men/Stark blood will be what's needed to create TPTWP. I believe Lyanna believed as well and they ran off together and got married and created Jon Snow. Who is most definitely looking like an important figure in the coming War for the Dawn.
  3. I don't think Robert loved Lyanna. He barely knew her and had bastard babies all over the 7 kingdoms. Robert loved the idea of marrying his best friend's sister. Another conquest is all Lyanna would have been to him. He would have never been a faithful husband. Lyanna knew it and said no thanks.
  4. If one of the Greyjoy's boys are the Valonqar, it will be Euron. The visions in the Aeron chapter show Euron on the throne. That chapter also shows you how he treats his wives... So one can only imagine Cersei's fate after she marries Euron to form an alliance...
  5. Judging from the Aeron Greyjoy chapter Martin released, Euron is a complete psycho. Could he propose an alliance with Cersei only to betray her to Dany in the end. It makes sense from a strategic standpoint. Could Euron be her Valonquar?
  6. The show is getting more and more expensive. Especially with the actors pay increasing. Next season will feature a lot of CGI. Ships, dragons, citadel, white walkers. Maybe even a Wolfpack. So something will have to give. The thing to give is to knock off some of the main players. Cersei & Jamie are both two of the highest paid actors on the show and neither are probably important to the endgame. They get paid on a per episode basis. So I'm guessing Cersei's reign May last all of 4 episodes if that many. If we truly only have 7 then 6 episodes left, it's definitely time to off Cersei and turn our attention towards the final battle and the Jon/Dany alliance.
  7. Well Dawn was forged from a meteor... So I guess it's extra-terrestrial...
  8. Nice find.
  9. I think the Dayne kids could play a big role in the show in the sense that they will be the setup for explaining the Sowrd of the Morning. I also expect Sam to find out about TSOTM in Oldtown. He'll learn from history that a Sword of the Morning ended the Long Night and wielded the Greatsword Dawn. This will be happening while the Dayne's are introduced most likely to Dany in Dorne. They will fill Dany in on their family history and the connection between the Dayne's and Targs. At the same time, Jon may find Dawn in the crypts. I think this could make for an excellent story next season. Or say Dawn is at Starfall, and Dany or the Dayne's give it to Jon when they make their alliance. Then Jon can return Longclaw to the Mormonts through Jorah. I fully expect Dawn to have a reddish hue or maybe even be flaming when Jon wields it in his final fight vs the Night King.
  10. She should marry Robin and throw him and LF out the moon door.
  11. You are very correct. I apologize to all of the Sansa fans. It just baffles the mind that anyone who has watched the show can call Sansa a great leader or tactician. She's been a pawn in everyone else's game thus far until she walked past Littlefinger this past episode. And giving her credit for bringing the Vale after withholding this information from Jon wasn't the sign of a tactical genius. It was quite foolish and selfish. Unless Sansa was hoping for Jon to be killed and thus she can gain control of Winterfell for herself. Which they seem to show wasn't her intention. Her apology brought us back to her first apology during their initial reunion. I hope they don't keep with the yo yo act with Sansa because it's like she takes a step forward then two steps back. Either make her pro family and she sides with Jon until the end, giving him council and being completely honest with him (allowing him to lead because her character has never led a thing) or just turn her dark and make her a badass Cersei type who's playing the game to win and whoever is in her way is her enemy. I'll take and love either. Just no more plot yo yo creations to empower her and make her something she's not then try to justify it to please her fans at the expense of more important characters and the story itself.
  12. Did she really care? I think she did what she did because of LF's prodding and suggesting. She said herself this episode that she was always trying to leave. I guess her hard times have brought her some clearer perspective... We'll see how long it lasts... This episode and the reunion scene with Jon has been Sophie's best acting and the best Sansa we've seen in the show barring a couple other minor scenes (her walk down the stairs at the Vale and her standing up to Joffrey on the bridge at KL and willing to leap to her death with him being the others). She seemed genuine and not whiny and selfish in that scene and this episode. I hope D&D run with this character arc. I think it would really get the most out of Sophie's acting.
  13. Lol. Good one. Cat really would do that wouldn't she. Part of me still hopes that in the books if Jon is resurrected by the red god that it's Cat that gives him the kiss of life. She treated Jon so terribly in both the show and books. Maybe if she finds out his true parentage, she'll bring him back to avenge the Starks and place one of her children as the Lord of Winterfell again. You kinda have these subtle hints of the BWB heading North in the show. Perhaps they will in the books too. Also in the books there's the vision of Sansa killing a giant in a castle made of snow... I think Sansa will continue her arc of becoming a true Stark by her actions not just her name. She'll kill LF before she lets him harm Jon. And when it's all said and done, I hope Sansa becomes the Lady of the Vale or Riverrun. I think Cat would be even more happy with the latter. Even more so than her becoming the lady of Winterfell.
  14. Good generalship??? Are you joking? What in the hell has Sansa ever led or commanded. Everything she's done has been done as a pawn of someone else... You Sansa fans are ridiculous. Sansa ain't fit to lead anything but a knitting/sewing class. This shit you're giving Sansa praise for was done because of plot.
  15. Stark to the bone??? That's laughable. Sansa just became a "Stark" this episode. First by being honest to her kin and apologizing. Second when she admitted that her whole life she wanted to be somewhere else than Winterfell. Always wanted something more than what her family and North had to offer. And you have the nerve to say she's more of a Stark than Jon??? Please. Jon may end up being a Targ but he's more Stark and more Northern than Sansa has ever been or probably will ever be. So why in the hell would the North declare for her. She hasn't spilled a drop of blood or risked anything personal in them reclaiming Winterfell from the Boltons. Technically, you can say she aligned herself with the Boltons by marrying Ramsey. Thank God that Sansa/Bolton crap is over. Hopefully they don't make her turn cloak again next season. Sansa was great in the finale all up until that last stare with LF. I hope they make her stay true to her family and not be LF's pawn once again.
  16. Jon staying at or returning to the Wall would be useless and it would lead to the entire destruction of the North and most likely Westeros because no one would be ready for the Walkers when they come. Jon is believe it or not still doing his NW duty. He has to unify the country and get them focused on the real enemy. So in my eyes what he's doing is excellent strategy and makes the only sense. It's not like he's going around playing political games for personal power. Everything he's doing is being done with knowledge that the Walkers are coming. They are the endgame. As for the OP, I definitely see Jon sending men to the wall. Question is will more men at the wall mean more men killed when the walkers do come? Will the Night King be able to bring down the whole wall or will he just be able to break the spells and pass through the gates? If the latter, men will be able to retreat to the castles. I'm expecting a lot of retreating and humanity making their last stand at the trident.
  17. We all know Howland spent time on the Isle of Faces just before the tourney of Harrenhal. Let's say he was given a glimpse or vision of the promised one and the Great War to come. Is it possible that he stopped Ned from killing Arthur Dayne by maybe shouting out "I know of the prophecy of The Prince that was Promised". And explained to Arthur that Ned meant Jon no harm and would actually help keep Jon safe??? Now that I think of it, probably not. It seemed like the KG felt it was their duty to die in the service of their King. And with both Rhaegar and Aerys dead, what else was their to live for? I guess Jon. But could they/he/Arthur care for him better than Ned?
  18. Just watched it 10 times on my iPad zoomed in with the closed captions on. Of course the close captions skips the "his name is". Then picks back up at "Robert will kill him". Anyway, her lips clearly look to say "Aer" and they never move with a first syllable. They only start with the "Aer". But I think this was done intentionally to create speculation and debate like we have here and maybe not to completely spoil the book that may come this year... Key word there being may. I don't believe that Rhaegar or Lyanna would choose Aerys. But I do like the idea of Jaehaerys. He was Rhaegar's grandfather and believed in TPTWP prophecy and made his son and daughter marry because TPTWP would come from their line. If it can't be Jaehaerys then I hope for Aemon because the Dragonknight was one the greatest and most noble knights in history and even stated that the greatest swordsman he ever fought was Cregan Stark. Also concerning Jaehaerys, the first one reigned for 50 plus years (the longest) and is considered one of the wisest and greatest Targ Kings ever. Another possibility is Aerion who was Aegon, Visenya, and Rhaenys' father.
  19. Yeah. I think we've seen the seeds of Jamie beginning to change in this past episode. Especially that look he gave Cersei. You know he's gonna view her as selfishly usurping Tommen's throne rather she killed him directly or not. If Jamie does finally sever ties with Cersei, I see them going out together. Or at least one killing the other. As for Bronn, I can see him reversing his sellsword nature and taking a bullet but I think it'll be for Tyrion. Kind of a bit of foreshadowing when he told Pod that he preferred Tyrion over Jamie even if it was just in jest. I think we'll definitely get a Bronn/Tyrion reunion.
  20. I could definitely see it playing out similar to the show except for Howland stabbing Dayne in the throat, he stabs him in the calf or something. Giving Ned the opening to finish Dayne. I really think there was some foreshadowing going on with Ned killing Dayne with Dawn and standing it at the foot of the bed so the camera could focus on it. Time to go rewatch my favorite scenes from this season. The ToJ was definitely one of em. The guy that played Dayne was a true badass.
  21. Dany will never marry the man who killed her father. Whether he was "mad" or not. That would be a character assassination on the highest level. I can see Jamie taking the black after killing Cersei but I can also see Jamie turning on Cersei and Cersei having Jamie killed or killing him herself and Tyrion doing the deed because despite everything, he loves Jamie most of all. If Cersei kills Jamie, Tyrion is definitely killing her. As for the topic at hand, Bronn... Bronn and Tyrion will reunite and Bronn could end up leading the Lannister forces in the war vs the Walkers. Hard to say whether he lives or dies. But I can see him living and getting that castle in Lannisport or somewhere else in the West if Tyrion become Hand of the King and Warden of the West. Of course he'll be the commander of Tyrion's forces.
  22. Yeah. Them being at the tower hints that they were protecting someone. And maybe Lyanna was too ill to be moved. But that seems like a long time to stay in such an isolated place. Maybe they figured Varys birds could find out they were at Starfall so it was best to stay isolated. It just seems like an odd place to protect a king. But you were very thorough in your breakdown. Brings back great memories. Would love to read the ToJ story in full written by Martin. Perhaps we will get it in a vision by Bran in Winds. So even outnumbered, you think the KG would dispatch Ned's crew. So, just your opinion, what do you think happened that helped the 7 beat the 3? Were they just that good?
  23. But why have your wife and son and heir at an indefensible location like the ToJ when you could have had them at Starfall, a house loyal to the Targs, that conveniently sits by the sea to make for an easy escape if Robert's troops ever came? It makes no logistical sense. Which is why I still stand by the A+L=J theory and Lyanna was a member of Rhaegar's personal guard. The KG were on lookout at the tower looking for approaching enemies to head them off before they reached Starfall where Ashara and Rhaegar's true son were at... Lyanna being a member was with them. But she chose to stay with Arthur rather than leave her post due to her pregnancy. Maybe because she knew that Arthur would never flee and if the enemy came he would fight and die there. Thus she could spend as much time with him as possible.
  24. Seems pretty obvious that once Dany has arrived, she'll hear the news that there is a new "King in the North". She will probably want to go to war to lay claim to the entire 7K's. But Tyrion will broker a meeting. Jon will tell of the coming real War. I think they'll start to hit us with with Dany and Jon attraction and chemistry. And maybe Dany has been barren but it'll require her to "love" again to break the prophecy. Or maybe even the parts of the prophecy will be fulfilled so she can bare children again... She just made it clear she didn't love Daario. She'll fall in love with Jon. I personally think they will have some damn good chemistry together. We'll see though. The bittersweet (show) ending could be Dany dying in childbirth at the end. Giving birth to twins. That would make many people sad despite the good guys winning the war because Dany has been a fan favorite.
  25. I'm sure like most have said its R+L=J but I actually prefer A+L=J. People want to press the AA & TPTWP prophecies on Jon but all information given has clearly shown that's Dany. She birthed dragons from stone under the bleeding comet by sacrificing her love (Drogo & Rhaego). Even Aemon said everyone thought the prophecy was a boy but it's Dany. Jon will be the Sword of the Morning who will battle the Night King and end the Long Night. A couple thoughts: it's been established that Lyanna was like Arya. Headstrong. A Tom boy. Not a typical girl. So why would Lyanna who many believe was the Knight of the Laughing Tree run off because she fell in love??? She didn't. It doesn't fit her character. She ran off because she didn't want to be forced into marriage to a womanizing brute like Robert. Something I could see Arya doing as well. I think her goal was to become a lady knight like another current heroine we have. Brienne. She just happened to fall in love with Arthur during this time. Also, if the KG was protecting Rhaegar's son, why have him in an isolated indefensible place like the ToJ??? You're basically signing his death warrant. Wouldn't it make more sense to have him at Starfall with an easy escape route by ship? I think Lyanna had become a member of Rhaegar's KG. I think she was there at the tower with the others as lookouts (which is what those watchtowers were actually used for) for enemies and they would battle them before they reached Starfall where Rhaegar's real son was at. The son he had with Ashara. I think there's a chance that Faegon is actually Rhaegar's child with Ashara and Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne. Ashara was allowed to flee by Ned with Rhaegar's son because he saw what happened to his other children. She faked her death and fled. But that's for the books. For the show, after this Great War, things will be totally different. I think Westeros will choose a king/queen who they deem worthy. Not necessarily based on titles. So Jon not being Rhaegar's son won't exclude him from still becoming King. Hell he's already a king after the finale. But he can still marry Dany and end up being King. I think next year we will get the proper introduction of House Dayne. Leaks have called for the casting of two young kids (teenagers) who will interact with the main characters of the show. My guess is Edric and Allyria Dayne. We'll find out who Jon's father is next year. Plus the Dayne history predates the Targs. They go back with the Starks and the first men. The fact that they have Targ features in the books tell us that they came from the Great Empire of the Dawn from which the Valyrians descend. So Jon being a Dayne & Stark still makes him the Song of Ice and Fire. I know it's probably total crackpot and R+L=J. Just trying to make my dream of Jon Dayne the sword of the morning be true. There's still a chance. Lol.