How would Brandon act?

[devilish]

We all know that Robert loved Eddard as a brother. They became quite close at the Vale and Eddard was a beta character which suit Robert's alpha character perfectly. We also know that Brandon was fiercely protective towards his sister. He took it at heart when Rhaegar appointed Lyanna as his queen of beauty and threw caution out of the window when the crown prince kidnapped her. Brandon is as much of an alpha person as Robert. Now lets say assume the following scenarios. Please note that in all 3 scenarios Rickard is dead and Eddard is Brandon's no 2.

Scenario A

Rhaegar never kidnaps Lyanna and Rickard is dead. Lyanna marries Robert and she turns out at Riverrun one day bruised after Robert smacked her (after yet another fight). Hoster escort her to Winterfell. Lyanna demands asylum to Brandon and begs him not to send her to the Stormlands again. She's also show him a letter from King Rhaegar stating that he's willing to have her as his second wife if Brandon gives his consent. Lyanna tells her brother that she loves Rhaegar dearly and he loves her. They never took it further for fear of upsetting the Starks. 

Scenario B

Rhaegar does kidnap Lyanna but before Brandon reaches KL he's intercepted by Rhaegar and his forces. Brandon is disarmed by Sir Arthur Dayne and Lyanna tells Brandon that she loves Rhaegar and wants to live with him. Rhaegar allow Brandon to return home
 

Scenario C

 Brandon never goes to KL. He march alongside Robert and they win the war. Robert decides he's king despite Brandon had committed more soldiers than he did. Lord Umber and Lord Tully urges him to crown himself king in the North. Eddard begs for caution

Scenario D

Brandon never goes to KL. Lord Brandon goes to the tower of joy with Eddard. Sir Arthur Dayne allows them to meet his sister without the need of a bloodshed. Lyanna tells him that R+L=J and begs him to protect the boy. Sir Arthur tells Brandon that his nephew is heir to the throne and that if he decide to fight for his right all loyalists (Tyrells, Martells and co) will join him. Brandon also have the Tullys backing. 

 

[Jon's Queen Consort]

I thought that fan fictions are not allowed.

[devilish]

4 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

I thought that fan fictions are not allowed.

 

Its not fan fictions. We're discussing what people think would happen if Brandon was still alive and the story was slightly altered

[Jon's Queen Consort]

14 minutes ago, devilish said:

Its not fan fictions. We're discussing what people think would happen if Brandon was still alive and the story was slightly altered

They look like fan fictions you know, because they are not theories and they have no text proofs. Btw why Brandon would had been in Riverrun?

[Lord Vance II]

For starters...I think Brandon's rage at Lyanna's "kidnapping" was more about personal honor for Brandon than it was his sisters well being. Not that he didn't care, but his behavior leans towards the latter. 

A is the toughest, because I don't think it would happen. We don't have anything to say Robert was a serial abuser and it seems the friction with Cersei brought it to the surface (not an excuse, just saying we don't hear it from any other woman). On top of that, I don't think Robert would ever raise a hand to the woman he loves who also happens to be his best friend's sister. But for sake of argument, I think Ned would convince Brandon to take the high road and go to Rhaegar, but the only problem is I don't know how the Starks would react to her being made a second wife. I suppose Brandon could let her stay, put a few thousand men at the Neck and tell Robert to come get her, which of course the crown wouldn't allow. 

B...I think you pretty much wrapped up the scenario. If Lyanna herself told Brandon not to fight for her, he might not. 

C. I don't think he would take the king route. Robert has some right to the throne from his Targaryan blood and if Brandon wants to stay south and gain power he could ask for Hand of the King. But, like most Starks, I think he would just want to go home. 

D...

29 minutes ago, devilish said:

 Sir Arthur Dayne allows them to meet his sister without the need of a bloodshed.

...why on earth would Dayne do that?

So your saying that Brandon would have the choice to restart the war against the people he fought alongside, to put the heir of the person they just disposed on the throne? Tough. Would Riverrun and the Vale turn on Robert? Probably not. Where would the Lannisters fall? This one has way too many what ifs for me. If I had to pick...I think Ned would convince Brandon to take Jon and wait and see how Robert does. If Robert fails, he can raise half the kingdoms around Jon Targaryan. 

[devilish]

4 minutes ago, Lord Vance II said:

For starters...I think Brandon's rage at Lyanna's "kidnapping" was more about personal honor for Brandon than it was his sisters well being. Not that he didn't care, but his behavior leans towards the latter. 

A is the toughest, because I don't think it would happen. We don't have anything to say Robert was a serial abuser and it seems the friction with Cersei brought it to the surface (not an excuse, just saying we don't hear it from any other woman). On top of that, I don't think Robert would ever raise a hand to the woman he loves who also happens to be his best friend's sister. But for sake of argument, I think Ned would convince Brandon to take the high road and go to Rhaegar, but the only problem is I don't know how the Starks would react to her being made a second wife. I suppose Brandon could let her stay, put a few thousand men at the Neck and tell Robert to come get her, which of course the crown wouldn't allow. 

B...I think you pretty much wrapped up the scenario. If Lyanna herself told Brandon not to fight for her, he might now. 

C. I don't think he would take the king route. Robert has some right to the throne from his Targaryan blood and if Brandon wants to stay south and gain power he could ask for Hand of the King. But, like most Starks, I think he would just want to go home. 

D...

...why on earth would Dayne do that?

So your saying that Brandon would have the choice to restart the war against the people he fought alongside, to put the heir of the person they just disposed on the throne? Tough. Would Riverrun and the Vale turn on Robert? Probably not. Where would the Lannisters fall? This one has way too many what ifs for me. If I had to pick...I think Ned would convince Brandon to take Jon and wait and see how Robert does. If Robert fails, he can raise half the kingdoms around Jon Targaryan. 

A: Robert is a passionate man who programmed for war and Lyanna is no angel. Unlike Cersei who simply drank wine and had sex with her brother while Robert was whoring, the she-wolf would probably confront him if not even hit him. At that point Robert might lose it as he lost it with Cersei. Also I doubt that Brandon is the type to stay home and wait for Robert to get him.

B- Would that also mean that there would be no revolt? And if Robert rebelled would the North join him at that point?

C-  TBF Brandon have more right to the King in the North title then Robert has for the 7 kingdoms.

D- Why did Dayne attacked? (I opened a thread about that)

I think Riverrun would side with Brandon (Cat is his wife after all) while the Vale will remain neutral hoping to broker a deal between the two. At that point it would be all about negotiation. Would Brandon consider a match between the newborn Margaery Tyrell and Jon Targ? What can Robert offer that Brandon can't? What can Brandon offer that Robert's cant? (ex Brandon can promise to bring Tywin's head to the Martells and sweeten the deal by marrying Eddard to Arrianne)  Probably it would end up like that

Jon Targ allies

- North
- Riverlands

Robert B allies

- Stormlands
- Westerlands

Neutrals

- Vale 
- Reach
- Iron islands
 

 

[devilish]

25 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

They look like fan fictions you know, because they are not theories and they have no text proofs. Btw why Brandon would had been in Riverrun?

Considering that Lyanna would be fleeing Robert than the safest and closest place she can go is Riverrun. I doubt Hoster would simply handle her back to Robert without first consulting his son in law

[Lord Vance II]

5 minutes ago, devilish said:

TBF Brandon have more right to the King in the North title then Robert has for the 7 kingdoms

Under Robert the North was all but independent. Why fight another war if the King is content to leave you alone? Declaring independence only came up because the Crown had all but declared war against the Starks. 

6 minutes ago, devilish said:

Would that also mean that there would be no revolt? And if Robert rebelled would the North join him at that point?

If Brandon and Ned both knew the facts of the matter, I think they would talk Robert out of rebellion (unless it's all part of the Southern Ambitions...)

[Jon's Queen Consort]

18 minutes ago, devilish said:

Considering that Lyanna would be fleeing Robert than the safest and closest place she can go is Riverrun. I doubt Hoster would simply handle her back to Robert without first consulting his son in law

I am asking because in this fanfiction Brandon for some reason, is in Riverrun and that is something that I haven't seen before.

nvm I hadn't paid attention.

[devilish]

1 minute ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

I am asking because in this fanfiction Brandon for some reason, is in Riverrun and that is something that I haven't seen before.

Its safe to say that under such circumstances Hoster would either send Lyanna to Winterfell or ask Brandon to pop by

[Lord Vance II]

7 minutes ago, devilish said:

Its safe to say that under such circumstances Hoster would either send Lyanna to Winterfell or ask Brandon to pop by

Pop by with the might of Winterfell at his back, maybe. 

[devilish]

1 minute ago, Lord Vance II said:

Pop by with the might of Winterfell at his back, maybe. 

Nah. If you dad in law ask you to pop by you don't call the banners don't you?

[Jon's Queen Consort]

9 minutes ago, devilish said:

Its safe to say that under such circumstances Hoster would either send Lyanna to Winterfell or ask Brandon to pop by

As I said;

11 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

nvm I hadn't paid attention.

So I would like to ask; do you actually have any text to support anything from what you have said?

[Lord Vance II]

Just now, devilish said:

Nah. If you dad in law ask you to pop by you don't call the banners don't you?

If I had banners to call, best believe I'd call those sons of bitches at the drop of a hat. 

But nah, it would just depend how serious the situation was. If Robert showed any sign of coming for her, Brandon is bring troops with him. 

[Ser Leftwich]

3 hours ago, devilish said:

 

Its not fan fictions. We're discussing what people think would happen if Brandon was still alive and the story was slightly altered

What is described here is fan fiction.

What if Roose Bolton was left handed? How would that change the story!?!?!? 

It is also a complete waste of time.

[purple-eyes]

To be honest, this is fanfiction. 

i do not feel it worthwhile to discuss.