The Most Annoying Phrase

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'Nuncle'. Every time Asha says this i want to kick puppies.

[ServantOnIce]

@Suzanna Stormborm to your tought if i read a book about Hitler, do i have to love Hitler? He is the main character in the book so if i don't like him i should not read.

Awful comparison . . .

[StarkDragon]

Awful comparison . . .

Agreed, for example, a book about Hitler is likely to be about hating him, and disliking him is like to be the cause of the book.

Please people, no extremist (Hitler love/men hate women with powah) views! Pretty please?

There's a reason for every opinion... don't shut people out, let them in!

[Tony of House Stark]

I knew this would turn into a "we hate Dany" thread.(not that I have a problem with that).

[Techelles]

@Suzanna Stormborm to your tought if i read a book about Hitler, do i have to love Hitler? He is the main character in the book so if i don't like him i should not read.

Does this count as Godwin's Law?

[Talbot]

Whenever Dany's titles are announced. I understand why fans think they're cool, but they're overkill. So is fire and blood, and the whole character anyways.

Nuncle gives me a chuckle.

[rivergirl]

Mayhaps- it's one of those stupid words like "playwright" where they can't decide on "maybe" or "perhaps" (like "write" or "right") so they just smush them together and use neither.

Nuncle- i genuinely thought for a long time that it was only meant to be applied to Aeron, because he was like a male nun and also Asha's uncle. Thus, nuncle. Turns out there is literally no explanation for why that term was necessary.

"I am but a young girl and know little of the ways of making up my fucking mind as to whether i'm a stupid little simpering fool or the blood of the dragon, haver of a ridiculous amount of titles, mother of dragons blah blah blah" I could tolerate Dany until she started vacillating between telling everyone she was a badass bitch and whimpering that she needed a big, stwong man to come and help her claim her thwone.

And this isn't really a phrase, but i'm 100% convinced we'd get TWoW at least a year earlier if GRRM stopped describing food and Dany's Quartheen gowns. I can understand a little foodporn, but not more overall description of onions than Aegon, for example. I can appreciate a passing mention of what a character is wearing, but seriously- we get it. Dany has one of her tits out.

[Captain Fantastic]

And this isn't really a phrase, but i'm 100% convinced we'd get TWoW at least a year earlier if GRRM stopped describing food and Dany's Quartheen gowns. I can understand a little foodporn, but not more overall description of onions than Aegon, for example. I can appreciate a passing mention of what a character is wearing, but seriously- we get it. Dany has one of her tits out.

Is it just me or is GRRM obsessed with Onions?

[rivergirl]

Oh, and RE Dany Hate: Suzanna Stormborn, i'm a girl and not even far from Daenerys' age, and i can't stand her. That's absolutely ridiculous to say only males dislike Dany and that it's only because she's a "strong woman"- so do they hate Arya, Asha, Cersei, Brienne and Val, too?

A great degree of the hatred for Dany is also because she, for a great deal of the series, isn't a strong female character. She is completely incapable of standing up for herself in any way until she has a dream that somehow miraculously alters her personality and perspective. She's good-hearted, yes, but also effectively... well, useless. She literally spent four books faffing around in Essos doing absolutely nothing productive, relying on her looks and dragons to be offered a place in people's homes. Do you think Xaro Xhoan Daxos liked her for her personality? Do you think Hizhdar Zo Loraq wanted her to be his wife because she didn't seem like she'd be a nice, tame queen?

Burning people doesn't make you strong, it makes you ruthless. Being unnecessarily uppity and imagining insults isn't brave, it's stupid.

“I am only a young girl and do not understand the ways of war, yet these odds seem poor to me.”

“The Stormcrows do not stand alone,” said Prendhal.“Stormcrows do not stand at all. They fly, at the first sign of thunder. Perhaps you should be flying now. I have heard that sellswords are notoriously unfaithful."

“Woman?” She chuckled. “Is that meant to insult me? I would return the slap, if I took you for a man.” Dany met his stare. “I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the Unburnt, Mother of Dragons, khaleesi to Drogo’s riders, and queen of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros.

That irked me beyond belief. But... you... you just... you just said not two minutes ago that you were but a young girl and didn't understand war. So why, pray tell, is it suddenly insulting to be called a woman? Surely he's just reiterating exactly what you called yourself in a more respectful way? There's nothing "strong" about biting someone's head off for insulting you when he didn't. I don't care if he was being an asshole, she was too. Doesn't that whole passage suggest she's got some weird ideology where it's good to be a girl when it suits her, but nobody else can point out her gender without it being sexist? Somewhat like your viewpoint, methinks.

I'll grant you that Dany is not an all-round terrible character. She's fierce and sometimes very brave, and determined to try and make the world a better place. She's genuinely kind-hearted and i believe she means well... but that doesn't make her altogether likeable. You can love her for her good qualities, and others can hate her for her bad ones. But you really can't accuse anyone who dislikes Dany of being sexist, that theory is completely disproven by the fact that:

1. Many people who dislike Dany are girls. How can that be sexist?

2. They, along with the male Dany-haters, do like other "strong" (as you call her) female characters, and

3. Again, most people who hate Dany are annoyed by her indecision, how terrible her decisions are when she makes them, and her obsession with 50 Shades of Daario. That's not to say that we don't like her because she's a sexually liberated character- i for one really like Cersei and Arianne. The reason the Daario thing annoys a lot of people that is that she's always harping on about being a Queen and doing what's right for her people, but she can't even stay loyal to her husband for the sake of a peaceful marriage.

[Suzanna Stormborn]

Seriously? Now you're making me question whether I should like Dany at all if this is the argument made in her favor. Some people like Tyrion, some people loath him. But he's GRRM's Favorite. So? I could hate Tyrion and still enjoy the book.

People have different people they like in life. Everybody has been loved, liked, disliked, or hated. That people can dislike Dany and still love ASOIAF speaks to the written ability of GRRM, it does not mean that they are just wasting their time. If Dany can be loved, she can be hated as well.

Personally I love strong women, but Dany doesn't stand out very much compared to other major characters for me anymore since after ASOS.

That's such a sexist thing to say against men. Truthfully, I think the amount of people that dislike Dany are mixed men and women. We dislike her because her arc is stupid and boring right now. She has declined in popularity, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't skip any chapters because that defeats the purpose of reading, but every time I reach a Daenerys chapter I roll my eyes and say, "all right, let's get this crap over with." I used to love Dany but she needs to grow the hell up right now.

Woah, guess I ruffled a few feathers here. My bad, it was stupid of me to say any man could be intimidated by a strong female like Dany. That could never happen. It is completely out of the realm of possibility. But i see there are in fact females that 'hate' dany. So i was wrong about that. But i never used the word sexist, i said intimidated, but twist my words however you want.

I would also like to point out that on another thread some guy was talking about how the actress that played osha was going to get more scenes next season 'because she has such nice titties' and no one jumped down his throat.

@Suzanna Stormborm to your tought if i read a book about Hitler, do i have to love Hitler? He is the main character in the book so if i don't like him i should not read.

We are talking about fiction here dude. You took it a little too far. And i dont know what u mean by 'taught' no one is teaching me anything. I came up with all this on my own.

I wont be coming on threads like this anymore. I thought it would be ppl having a laugh at annoying phrases, but then all these guys were saying 'i hate dany and everything she says'. And that is just not why i am a member of this forum. I wanted to discuss theories and ideas with others who loved these books as I do, and def not talk about who i 'hate'. Because i dont hate any of the characters grrm wrote. They are all incredible especially Tyrion and Stannis.

And i stand by what I said. I do think its a waste to read books where you hate the characters in them, but to each his own. The fact that i am on a Westeros forum defending Dany as a character makes me feel like im eating crazy pills.

Where is the fun in bashing the work of our favorite author???

Cheers everyone ill stick to the threads that arent so negative.

[Starfell]

Mayhaps- it's one of those stupid words like "playwright" where they can't decide on "maybe" or "perhaps" (like "write" or "right") so they just smush them together and use neither.

"Wright" means "craftsman" or "artisan", originally referring specifically to carpenters as "Smith" refers to metalworkers

[Ampris]

Oh, and RE Dany Hate: Suzanna Stormborn, i'm a girl and not even far from Daenerys' age, and i can't stand her. That's absolutely ridiculous to say only males dislike Dany and that it's only because she's a "strong woman"- so do they hate Arya, Asha, Cersei, Brienne and Val, too?

Strong women everywhere just turned over in their graves to hear Cersei called a strong woman!

[dreamcatcher]

Words are wind. What does that even mean?

[Ampris]

And i stand by what I said. I do think its a waste to read books where you hate the characters in them, but to each his own.

Umm. Isn't the point of any story that has conflict that you root for one side or the other? Maybe hate is a strong way of putting it but if everyone reading every story rooted for both sides then no one would be happy with the result and no one would be entertained. I think one of the things GRRM does best is represent humanity accurately - and that means all the things that make us not so nice but also redeemable. If you look at it like real life, it's pretty unreasonable to say that everyone should go around liking every single person they meet. Sometimes even "good" people get on someone's nerves.

[Arland]

A great degree of the hatred for Dany is also because she, for a great deal of the series, isn't a strong female character. She is completely incapable of standing up for herself in any way until she has a dream that somehow miraculously alters her personality and perspective. She's good-hearted, yes, but also effectively... well, useless. She literally spent four books faffing around in Essos doing absolutely nothing productive, relying on her looks and dragons to be offered a place in people's homes. Do you think Xaro Xhoan Daxos liked her for her personality? Do you think Hizhdar Zo Loraq wanted her to be his wife because she didn't seem like she'd be a nice, tame queen?

Uh...Really? Such (in my opinion) extreme (again in my opinion) interpretation of Dany's story, is (in my view) the one which creates the suspicion that there must be some underlying reason which causes all this Dany hate and skewed (in my opinion) judgment of her character . May be people were too much geared up from AGOT for her to get to Westeros (in my opinion with no good reason whatsoever) and are harshly disappointed she hasn't done it yet....and therefore ignore anything she does in Essos as grand as it is, and call it "useless"...

[rivergirl]

Strong women everywhere just turned over in their graves to hear Cersei called a strong woman!

:lol: I suspected that would raise some eyebrows. IMO, even though she's sort of a crazy bitch, Cersei's a strong woman because of the way she holds onto her pride and doesn't let the opinions of others phase her in her Walk of Shame, and the way she protects her children at all costs. Mean? Yes. Manipulative? Yes, even if she's not that good at it. Psycho? Definitely. Alcoholic? Probably. But she's not weak, i don't think. Just... prickly and very, very proud.

Then again, you could also argue for her having become unhinged because she couldn't take the pressure, so you could well be right. To each their own, we'll see how our wine-guzzling bitch ends up :)

[rivergirl]

Uh...Really? Such (in my opinion) extreme (again in my opinion) interpretation of Dany's story, is (in my view) the one which creates the suspicion that there must be some underlying reason which causes all this Dany hate and skewed (in my opinion) judgment of her character . May be people were too much geared up from AGOT for her to get to Westeros (in my opinion with no good reason whatsoever) and are harshly disappointed she hasn't done it yet....and therefore ignore anything she does in Essos as grand as it is, and call it "useless"...

Okay, i'll retract the statement that it's useless- that was a bad choice of wording on my part. Rather than useless, i'd say her actions in Essos are, in relation to every other character, irrelevant. It would have made more sense for her to stay with Illyrio for longer, then have her story fast-tracked starting at about ASOS so that by the end of ADWD, she's essentially right where she is now but without so much dawdling in Quarth and Astapor. Aside from meeting Quaithe and going to the HotU (which could have been moved to Meereen or somewhere that doesn't require so much trekking through the desert) nothing happened in either of those places apart from making more enemies. But couldn't that have just happened because they didn't want her and her shackle-breaking antics in Essos either?

In ACoK she literally spends an entire book going to a haunted house and having some visions, which she has thus far payed next to no attention to anyway. In ASoS she got her Unsullied and captured Meereen... but if she was just going to use Drogon to effectively steal an army, couldn't she have used him to steal a ship? I don't understand why, if she'd been so determined to get to Westeros from the start, she never even thought of just using her dragons to steal a ship in Qarth or something and head off from there.

In AFfC she literally didn't do anything, and in ADwD she just exemplified her incompetence as a ruler. All in all, it would have been a lot less frustrating for the readers if her arc had begun in ASoS and moved more quickly towards Meereen so she could do what she was put in the story to do, and actually interact with other characters from Westeros.

Anyway, this isn't the point of the thread. I respect the fact that you like Dany, as a lot of others do and i can understand why. My point is just that it's not invalid for some of us to hate/dislike her, or at the very least get pissed off that she's made no progress towards Westeros over such a long period of time.

[Brad the Bold]

Does this count as Godwin's Law?

No doubt in my mind, yes.

[Ampris]

Then again, you could also argue for her having become unhinged because she couldn't take the pressure, so you could well be right. To each their own, we'll see how our wine-guzzling bitch ends up :)

This, exactly. That and the fact that her paranoia about the prophecy essentially ensured her own downfall. She is the instrument of her own demise.

[EnergeticCrab]

SMALL WONDER

I totally forgot about this, but now that I am re-reading the books it is showing up much and more (another repetitive phrase).

I think one time Small Wonder was in a paragraph like 3 times? Ridiculous.