Why would Aegon v send Brynden Rivers to the Wall?

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Okay so the man was soo Loyal to the Targaryens. Falling in love with his half sister, Sheira Seastar, was what fuelled his Hate for the Blackfyre's, and ultimately led to him defeating they're 2 attempts to gain supporters, and Take the Dynasty from the Targaryens.. So I know Maekar, first of his name, Hated Bloodraven, And Egg was his son, so other than this being a George Bush, to a George .W. Bush, type hate on Saddam Hussein for his fathers sake... why would they put poor old BloodRaven Into the Black cells and then send the man to the Wall after he saved the Iron Throne for the Ingrates more than once? and what could he have done to give them precedent to Send him to the wall, because the Wall is usually where they send Lord's for Treason, even though they send the smallfolk there for pretty much anything/everything. sooo What did he do????? any idea's

[A bowl of brown]

It was Maekar that sent him to the Wall not Aegon. We don't know exactly why but we know Maekar resented BR being named Aerys' Hand instead of him and that one High Septon told Maekar that bastard's blood was treachorous and BR's blood would tell in the end.

Edit. Sorry it was Maekar that imprisoned him. Aegon sent him to the wall there as part of Aemon's escort. I imagine to get him out of the Black Cells without having him around.

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It was Maekar that sent him to the Wall not Aegon. We don't know exactly why but we know Maekar resented BR being named Aerys' Hand instead of him and that one High Septon told Maekar that bastard's blood was treachorous and BR's blood would tell in the end.

Edit. Sorry it was Maekar that imprisoned him. Aegon sent him to the wall there as part of Aemon's escort. I imagine to get him out of the Black Cells without having him around.

actually Maekar had him in the black cells Aegon sent him to the wall.

[Good King Daemon]

Maekar hated Bloodraven but I doubt he would have just thrown him into the black cells for that alone he must have done something that really pissed Maekar off in the period at the end of Aerys I reign and the start of Maekar's. Maybe he disobeyed Maekar's order as new king or hid the fact that Aerys had died from Maekar for a while. Either way I have a feeling it had to do with a later Blackfyre rebellion as BR and Bittersteel's hatred for each other seems to have made them both irrational.

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okay yah I thought so

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yah hating a guy isnt good enough... well for most king's ... to just send a guy to the wall im really looking for speculation as to what he may have done to deserve the cold 700 ft slab of Ice orrrr was it by choice knowing he could go live beyond the Wall, and or did the COTF somehow get him up there via the green dreams

[Consigliere]

I'm not certain why Egg would send BR to the wall. It's possible that BR chose to go to the Wall. We know that he is a greenseer but he may have been capable of prophetic dreams/visions as well. Maybe one of these dreams/visions showed him that his destiny lay at the Wall.

[Pod The Impaler]

Does a king with absolute power really need a good reason to imprison someone? Maybe Bloodraven beat him at cyvasse or something.

[diremitar]

Does a king with absolute power really need a good reason to imprison someone? Maybe Bloodraven beat him at cyvasse or something.

I doubt. Cyvasse is new thing in Westeros it probably wasn't popular in BR's time

[BaseBornBastard]

I'm not sure why Egg sent BR to the Wall. But whatever the reason, I imagine that it was a good one, as Egg was a good and honest King/person. I'm sure we'll find out the reason in one of the D&E books.

[Nuncle Kraken]

Pure speculation, but I'm thinking BR found out about tPtWP and told Egg. Asking Egg to send him to the Wall to investigate or be the first line of defense. Maybe telling Egg about the prophecy convinced him to attempt to hatch dragons resulting in the tragedy at Summerhall.

[Im no Ser]

We don't have nearly enough information to answer this question, but my guess is it probably has to do with one of these two factors:

1) Bloodraven was a wildly unpopular figure in Westeros. Releasing him and restoring him to a prominent position in King's Landing could have been politically problematic, especially given the weakness of Aegon's claim.

2) We know Aegon had a mystical agenda in addition to a temporal one. Maybe that agenda needed Bloodraven at (or north of) the wall. It's also possible that Bloodraven himself thought that's where he needed to be.

[Fat Mac]

Didn't it just say that as a gift to to the NW, Aegon V sent all the prisoners in KL to the Wall? I don't think he specifically sent BR, it's more just he sent an entire group of prisoners, and BR was one of them. The greater question is why did Maekar lock BR in the black cells.

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I'm not sure why Egg sent BR to the Wall. But whatever the reason, I imagine that it was a good one, as Egg was a good and honest King/person. I'm sure we'll find out the reason in one of the D&E books.

That is what Martin always makes you think about the Characters at first, then all of a sudden you start finding out all these mitigating things about they're personality, that may or may not, in your mind, take them from a protagonist to an antagonist.

He has constantly stated- William Faulkner I quote " the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself" so there really aren't any Black or White character's, but more Grey characters. so Egg could have been in the wrong... Summerhall for example

[Swiftraven]

I'm gonna guess Bloodraven asked to be part of Aemon's escort to the Wall because he knew/felt he had some business there and beyond it.

[Mad Monkey]

That is what Martin always makes you think about the Characters at first, then all of a sudden you start finding out all these mitigating things about they're personality, that may or may not, in your mind, take them from a protagonist to an antagonist.

He has constantly stated- William Faulkner I quote " the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself" so there really aren't any Black or White character's, but more Grey characters. so Egg could have been in the wrong... Summerhall for example

That's a good point. It's possible that Aegon was mistaken to send Brynden to the Wall. But I really think that he would not have done it without Brynden's consent; I get the feeling that Brynden wanted to go to the Wall for a reason.

[JP Dayne]

it will all be answered in D&E books

I have a theory

maekar sent BR to the cells mostly because public opinion. BR was a kinslayer, and maekar didn't want ppl pointing fingers, like "well, he's covering for BR, because he ALSO is a kinslayer, he killed prince baelor!". Typical politic damage control.

But also, BR wanted to get caught. I think his greenseeing powers were alredy strong, and he foresaw the others invasion, and started mumbling about it to his targ counterparts (remember, BR is half firstman) and was shunned.

Egg, being reasonable and remembering his drunk brother daeron dreams, believed BR, and sent him to the wall, hoping he could lead the men there to fend off the others, while preserving his politic health. We have to remember that egg admires BR (at least to the 3rd novella) and knows BR means well, even tho he can be a bit extreme.

It all ends with summerhall, egg tried to hatch dragons to fight the others. Rhaegar was born instead of a literal winged dragon. Rhaegar fathered Jon, who will defeat the others. The end.

[Pod The Impaler]

I doubt. Cyvasse is new thing in Westeros it probably wasn't popular in BR's time

I didn't mean that literally. It was meant as some trivial matter.

[Audrey Arryn]

Didn't it just say that as a gift to to the NW, Aegon V sent all the prisoners in KL to the Wall? I don't think he specifically sent BR, it's more just he sent an entire group of prisoners, and BR was one of them. The greater question is why did Maekar lock BR in the black cells.

Yea I think something like that.

[mindchap]

I still say the imprisonment could easily have been a cover, an excuse for someone fairly prominent to disappear so that he could go around as Plumm. And what better way to disappear than in a jail with no light and no one aloud to visit. As for the Wall, Egg sent him and Dunk to escort Maester Aemon to the Wall, his honor guard as Aemon calls them.